Quote Originally Posted by janivar123 View Post
I will not be adding extra sugar(and its not a kit) so i need a starting point
I should also have said that if you want good quality beer - NEVER use sugar. The only thing that should be in beer is water, hops, malt (dry or liquid), and yeast. Certain beers require lactose for the home brewer, but try and steer clear of that unless you have to. Note that in germany, I think it is still illegal to add anything extra to beer.

This of course is just the opinion of a perfectionist