Well just as an update, I've switched to using AOS Lavender as a pre-shave but may try some good ol Barbasol (JUST as a pre-shave, not as an actual lather) I liked the Poraso, but I have weird skin and after a few days of doing this and even shaving with Poraso a few times, I was itching like mad on my neck, guess something in Poraso just doesn't agree with me