Turns out SWMBO hates the heavy clove of VIBR so it's going to my son with his next care package. I still haven't tried the Turtle Bay brand. Has anyone tried the Kramperts Acadian Spice Bay Rum?, it's quite nice, last time I went through this thread was sometime ago so sorry if it's been mentioned before, I'm on midnights right now and too tired to read the whole thing tonight.