Thread: "Dip-at-toe" stubtails 18th century

Nice German Steel Samuel Norris razor!
No "Dip-at-toe " though, and no shoulder as well, for me it is around 1790

Originally Posted by Fikira

Nice German Steel Samuel Norris razor!
No "Dip-at-toe " though, and no shoulder as well, for me it is around 1790

oh when i said "shoulder" i meant that...the tang and the blade aren't at equal height there's a little jump there, you can see the shadow...sorry tough to explain. Didn't know what to call it - not that the other blades i've seen don't have it but it seemed more pronounced on this one.

Ah, you mean the line where the grinding started on the blade!
As far as I know, at this moment, there are no conclusions to be made regarding age if this line should have another style...

A "shoulder" is the transition line UNDER the tang, between tang and edge

Originally Posted by Fikira

Ah, you mean the line where the grinding started on the blade!
As far as I know, at this moment, there are no conclusions to be made regarding age if this line should have another style...

A "shoulder" is the transition line UNDER the tang, between tang and edge

yea i didn't know what else to call it, so i used "" to indicate ("not really what its called but i'll call it that"). The other ones i've seen here have a more gradual line there.

I see... Understood!

Originally Posted by Fikira

Nice German Steel Samuel Norris razor!
No "Dip-at-toe " though, and no shoulder as well, for me it is around 1790

aww . From what you've told me though, it's quite amazing how the style changed in such a short time period, between 1750 and 1810 blades went through SO MUCH change, it seems.
The amazing thing to me is all the "steel" markings in that whole period - "German Steel", "Acier Fondu", "Silver Steel", "Cast Steel"
Also: Like by now, i understand what a "dip at toe" is, but i'm STILL not seeing it or able to spot it...it's like my brain refuses to process "dip at toe".

No worries, yes, indeed, it surprises me as well! Good for us for estimating the production date

To identify, maybe it helps to look at the bump on the spine?



The spine is not straight, it also isn't a curved spine without bumps, it is a spine with a bump, or as a matter of speaking, it has 2 curved areas

Don't know if this helps...

see what i see there, is the bit where the spine curves upwards drastically at the toe...that's a consistent theme I'm seeing this thread...other than that - I know a few posts prior someone explained the bit RIGHT before the curve up (in your pic here it looks to be rusted a wee bit) where there's a dip...but it's REALLY hard for me to spot that for some reason.

It is indeed the wee rusted bit, just keep on trying to spot it, it will be better I'm sure!

Originally Posted by Tjh

aww . From what you've told me though, it's quite amazing how the style changed in such a short time period, between 1750 and 1810 blades went through SO MUCH change, it seems.
The amazing thing to me is all the "steel" markings in that whole period - "German Steel", "Acier Fondu", "Silver Steel", "Cast Steel"

Razors in silversteel are posterior to 1822.

On the Alloys of Steel by J. Stodart and M. Faraday
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London
Vol. 112 (1822), pp. 253-270