Thread: That 1700's Show

[QUOTE=gooser;1455210]my latest addition to the club , a KIPPAX ..

Well I'm glad you finally got it. It's beautiful! Those scales are in excellent condition to be from the 1700's!!!

[QUOTE=engine46;1455304]

Originally Posted by gooser

my latest addition to the club , a KIPPAX ..

Well I'm glad you finally got it. It's beautiful! Those horns are in excellent condition to be from the 1700's!!!

Those aren't horn

[QUOTE=ScienceGuy;1455314]

Originally Posted by engine46

Those aren't horn

Thanks. I knew that, I just made a typo. It has been corrected. I meant scales.

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I think it is the most beautiful material for scales.

Here's one that is almost shave ready. It takes hair off my face but is tugging a little. I need to make it shave ready. I would take it apart but I don't want to remove the original pins plus it has a cracked scale but it is still strong. I can't read the maker.......


This one says Warranted on the blade but iI think it's a candidate going by the scales. It's got a nice smile!

love that spine work !!

Originally Posted by gooser

love that spine work !!

Yeah, that ones really cool. I'll be shaving with it soon as soon as I hone it. I was looking at it & I think someone used a piece of tape on it. That or it's been holding an edge & has been put away a long time. I sanded some minor rust from it.

The Warranted is definitely early 1800s. The other it's hard to say for sure, but that style did bleed well into the 1800s so without a maker and dates of operation it's hard to pinpoint.

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

The Warranted is definitely early 1800s. The other it's hard to say for sure, but that style did bleed well into the 1800s so without a maker and dates of operation it's hard to pinpoint.

You should be aware that 'Warranted' was used prior to Huntsman's (re)discovery of crucible steel in the early 1740s.

This use of 'warranted' without any other information probably means that that the maker gave his word that the product was good or offered a sort of guarantee. We find the use of 'warranted', 'warranted superior' and 'warranted extra fine' in use and meaning not very much really.

Once Huntsman had perfected his crucible steel process we find the use of 'warranted cast steel' on products, but not for some time, as Sheffield cutlers would not use the product as they were very set in their ways and because those that did try it considered it too hard. France was eager for it, so the majority of it went abroad, marked 'acier fondu' and proved so popular that it was imported back into the country in the form of edged goods, etc.

Why do I make this distinction? Simply because crucible steel and acier fondu are the same, and both of them are also called 'cast steel' as the molten steel is cast into bars. This revolutionised the state of steel making and most makers began to append 'warranted cast steel' to their range of goods. So the use of 'warranted' on its own pre-dates the use of 'warranted cast steel'. That allows for an earlier date, in spite of the shape of the tang, which we know is no fine tool but a rather clumsy one for dating razors.

Nothing is definite in this world, except death and taxes.

Regards,
Neil

[QUOTE=engine46;1455452]

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

Thanks. I knew that, I just made a typo. It has been corrected. I meant scales.

I do not see how you can tell they are not horn from a photograph... crystal ball time?

Regards,
Neil