Truth be told Razorfeld, Both these razors are decent English razors. Not Pakistani. And one of them has ivory scales. They are both totally salvageable if done by a professional. As I told Walt I enjoy the collecting part and was more interested in seeing if someone could give me some advice on whether or not they could be honed to shave with? I wasn't asking if they are razors that you personally would purchase. I have a handful of razors I shave with, the rest of them I just want to clean up and display. And all in all I will more than likely clean these up and maybe even try to trade them for others that I am looking for. But I appreciate the advice from you. Thanks -BRETT