Thread: As promised, site is up for Makers Marks

Originally Posted by Voidmonster

Actually, Staniforth, Parkin, and Co. made quite a wide variety of things, including razors. Their HAGUE / SHEMEL mark was listed under Pen and Pocket knives in general. They're listed again for making razors, but using the mark SHEMEL / PARKIN, and then once more for making table knives (with separate entries for silver plated and regular) with a set of crossed keys under a trident over PARKIN / SHEMEL.

Most likely, HAGUE was a mark owned by someone else in the company that was used prior to the 1787 directory.

The London mark is right on, though!

Indeed, overlooked that!

I'm not convinced about the LONDON yet. The tang stamp looks like 'IN LONDON', and would match the spine stamp. I know there is an 'IN PARIS' stamp, is there documentation of anything like that with London?

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

I'm not convinced about the LONDON yet. The tang stamp looks like 'IN LONDON', and would match the spine stamp. I know there is an 'IN PARIS' stamp, is there documentation of anything like that with London?

Not quite there I guess...
At this moment I have no more information,

Could the partial stamp above LONDON (on the tang) be a crown or something like that?

Originally Posted by Fikira

Not quite there I guess...
At this moment I have no more information,

Could the partial stamp above LONDON (on the tang) be a crown or something like that?

As best I can make it out, I think it's 'IN'. This would corroborate with what looks like "IN LONDON" on the spine stamp, and I know some makers from the period had similar stamps, e.g. "IN PARIS".

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

I'm not convinced about the LONDON yet. The tang stamp looks like 'IN LONDON', and would match the spine stamp. I know there is an 'IN PARIS' stamp, is there documentation of anything like that with London?

Well, maybe a push in the right direction
I have found another "IN LONDON"



After a minor clean-up:



Also:

From a "Unwin J." document:

The relationship between the London and Sheffield cutlers had always been somewhat prickly, with the Londoners justifiably annoyed at Sheffield cutlers trying to capitalise on their position as makers of quality cutlery. Twenty-five Sheffield craftsmen registered marks with the word ‘LONDON’, with or without other words such as, ‘IN’ or ‘CITY’ or with symbols such as a cross. All but five were for cutlers and range in date from 1708 to 1772, with more being registered in the 1730s than in other decades. However, as Sheffield’s prestige rose with the improving quality of its knife production, the registering of another placename tended to backfire. The last person to register the mark with the word ‘LONDON’ was Samuel Lindley in 1772

This makes that the maker of these razors is:
Geo. (?) George Elliot (?) and that he was of Sheffield , probably made between the 1730's and 1770's (or a bit later, we don't know how long this maker made razors)

Originally Posted by Fikira

This makes that the maker of these razors is:
Geo. (?) George Elliot (?) and that he was of Sheffield , probably made between the 1730's and 1770's (or a bit later, we don't know how long this maker made razors)

Also, in Sheffield, Mr. Manwaring GREEN (son of John GREEN, tailor), was an apprentice for 8 years since 1738, earning his Freedom in 1746, with Master George ELLIOT, cutler, if this is "our" George ELLIOT, cutler, he would have worked at least around 1738

And, also in "Hallamshire cutlers", there is a George Elliot, (1) son of Thomas, apprenticed to Dalton Cornelius, cutler, F 1734 (fits the description above), (2) F 1751, (3) F 1764

One "pickle" with these last onces: this is Elliott, not Elliot...

I have one here which appears to say Shemield! Maybe it's my eyes...........

Originally Posted by engine46

I have one here which appears to say Shemield! Maybe it's my eyes...........

Nice! Can't put my finger on it who... (at this moment)
Couple of Shemield cutlers found,
but from 17th century/begin - mid 18th century, this would seem more like 1810 - '20 IMHO

Here is a similar one to the Rodgers frameback on your site:



And this Elliot, "Damascus" razor, unfortunately, looks like the belly of this beauty was honed out in the past:

Originally Posted by Fikira

Nice! Can't put my finger on it who... (at this moment)
Couple of Shemield cutlers found,
but from 17th century/begin - mid 18th century, this would seem more like 1810 - '20 IMHO

I can agree with that!