Thread: New Gottas?

Originally Posted by sharptonn

I Gotta get some sleep.

You gotta be kidding !

Originally Posted by Substance

Gotta agree the Gotta in the link looks link its gotta be a remix and not original
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as the Revisor versions of the Gotta as below have clearly stamped tangs
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But what are they remixing ?

Don't forget Dovo took Gotta over in the mid 80's was it ?

The top pic looks like a Dovo stamp.

The G&P ones may have a different tang stamp again but I can't remember. Certainly I've seen the pile side with the G&P stamp.

The Remix
To make a copy with a new twist like remixed song
You know "same same, but different"

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

The Modern Revisor Solingen company bought all the old Gotta blanks and rework them to make them look brand new. Revisor supplies several large concerns in the UK, including Amazon, with these razors. To most intents and purposes they are vintage Grah & Plumacher blanks reworked and regilded by a modern razor factory using very experienced staff and state of the art machinery.

Very many Revisors and their 'rarities of the wofld' razors have gone through my hands, and all have been excellent razors.

It is a current producer (mass producer) that is a par with others like Dovo and T I - in my experience their shave ready condition and QC control puts them firmly at the top of the list, I would even put them in advance of the new Wackers in terms of quality control and customer friendliness.

Regards,
Neil

This was an interesting response to say the least. Seems to be more about personal history than the current discussion ... I read his post and assumed the pictures are of the "modern" equipment being used today in Solingen by Revisor. I don't think there is room for this equipment in Robin's place. It read like a guy who is frustrated by people continuing to act like a few REALLY old guys using antique equipment is a "modern factory" with "state of the art machinery. How they would be capable of mass producing anything and selling to large concerns is a mystery. According to a friend who was hanging out with Thomas yesterday, Revisor can make about 100 razors per month. Dovo can produce 10k in that time. You write that you are particular in answering but it seems you are confusing Revisor with "The Grah & Plümacher Company" and "<the other one".

According to people who consider themselves friends with Thomas, Revisor are not behind the razor linked in the OP, and neither are they behind the Gotta razors sold on Amazon. But I don't know definitively

Originally Posted by richmondesi

This was an interesting response to say the least. Seems to be more about personal history than the current discussion ... I read his post and assumed the pictures are of the "modern" equipment being used today in Solingen by Revisor. I don't think there is room for this equipment in Robin's place. It read like a guy who is frustrated by people continuing to act like a few REALLY old guys using antique equipment is a "modern factory" with "state of the art machinery. How they would be capable of mass producing anything and selling to large concerns is a mystery. According to a friend who was hanging out with Thomas yesterday, Revisor can make about 100 razors per month. Dovo can produce 10k in that time. You write that you are particular in answering but it seems you are confusing Revisor with "The Grah & Plümacher Company" and "<the other one".

According to people who consider themselves friends with Thomas, Revisor are not behind the razor linked in the OP, and neither are they behind the Gotta razors sold on Amazon. But I don't know definitively

Christ, another delusional tit who cant make out what is in front of him.

For your information I never stated I was a friend of Thomas, I merely know of him through business connectins, many and varied.

Secondly yes I am precise in what I write, and it is plenty obvious to anyone with half an eyeball that the photo posted by the OP has nothing to do with Revisor or originators of the marque Grah & Plumacher.

Thirdly the pics of that machinery came from Thomas Kronenbourgs grinding room and predate 2003. A webmagasine (ugh!) reblogged the photos in 2007 and they have been reblogged a number of other times, the last beig 2010 I believe. It is the cusp of 2015, so who nows what it looks like now?

The fact of the matter is that they use 1950s tooling which has been re-jigged by the electrical skills of Thomas and his father. That tooling was state of the art in the 1950s (goig back to erns Hexe double ginding machine of 1893, so it is clear to me that as the process has grinding for instance has not changed in the 70 or more years, then this rejigged machinefy deserves to be called state of the art.

In the interview accompanying the razors, Gunther, the father, said that they had decided to emulate the old "kotten" style works, with a central workshop with smaller buildings attached.

The set up is very redolent of tbe small houses with tiny courtyards from which tne masses of little meisters once worked in Sheffield, and we find it all over small vintage cutlery and edge tool works.

that such a small concern can onlt turn out fraction of whzt a recognised markeg leader can do is only nagural though. But around 1900 there were so ma y small mamers tnat it would not surprise me in the least if they all operated in a small scale fasnion with some larber market giants.

Things may well be changing, though. Last year I was offered several hundred items 'rarities' their own brand would seem adcitional to quoted turnover. Add to this Amazon (I have not checked them all, but the few I ha e are identical to those on the Revisor website, and one of the resellers (lets ot forget that tbird party resellers also exist in the big world of amazon) and other UK stockist, then a 100 piece turnover begins to look extremely under-rated.

But you should know, close friend of Thomas, aren't you? Mind you, that has not been the case in your post, in which it is hard to enumerate the ignorance you have shown.

Thanks to your inability to read a basic english thread without coming up with more nonsence than you can waive a stick at, I find myself having to posf in this extremely tedious thread yet again, but I simply can not let a fool such as yourself import a meaning to my words which is not there.

.Hopefully that is the end of it. I should pop round to your good friend Thomas and get him to try and teach you a modicum about the industry...

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Christ, another delusional tit wh cant make out what is in front of him.

For your information I never statedIwas a frie d of Thomas, I merely know of him through business connectins, many and varied.

Secondly yes I am precise in what I write, and it is plenty obvious to anyone with half an eyeball that the photo posted by the OP has nothing to do with Revisor or originators of the marque Grah & Plumacher.

Thirdly the pics of that machinery came from Thoas Kronenbourgs grindind room and predate 2003. A we magasine reblogged the photos in 2007 and they have been reblogged a number of other times. It is the cusp of 2015, so who nows what it looks like now?

The fact of the matter is that they use 1950s tooling which has been re-jigged by the electrical skills of Thomas and his father. That tooling was state of the art in the 1950s (goig back to erns Hexe double ginding machine of 1893, so it is clear to me that as the process has grinding for instance has not changed in the 70 or more years, then this rejigged machinefy deserves to be called state of the art.

In the interview accompanying the razors, Guntber, the fatber, said that they had decided to emulate the old "kotten" style works, with a central workshop witn smaller buildings attached.

The set up is very redolent of tbe small houses with tiny courtyards from which tne masses of little meisters once worked in Sheffield, and we find it all over small vintage cutlery and edge tool works.

that such a small concern can onlt turn out fraction of whzt a recognised markeg leader can do is only nagural though.

Things may well be changing, though. Last year I was offered several hundred items. Add to tis Amazon and otner UK stockist, then a 100 piece turnover begins to look like an extremely under-rated.

But you should know, close friend of Thomas, aren't you? Mind you, that has not been the case in your post, in which it is hard to enumerate the ignorance you have shown.

Thanks to your inability to read a basic english thread without coming up with more nonsence than you can wai e a stick at, I find myself having to posf in this extremely tedious thread yet again, but I simply can ot let a fool such as yourself import a meaning to my words which is not there.

.Hopefully that is the end of it. I should pop round to your good friend Thomas ang get him to try and teach you a modicum about tne industry...

Awesome display! Well done. Being from the UK, I assumed you were a native speaker and would not have any difficulty reading with clear understanding what I wrote. I didn't say you claimed to be a friend or that I was. I said friends of mine who claim to be friends of Thomas' said you are wrong. I assume since they received a guided tour of Solingen by him just yesterday that their information would be more accurate. So, I asked. They answered. Your beef, and venom, is best aimed at someone besides me. The pictures posted by RobinK are still used by the same people in the same manner. Again according to the people who put their eyeballs on it yesterday.

Neil, I apologize for you having to chime in again, but if you think blustering insults strengthens your positions, then you are mistaken. Of course, I don't have a business interest vested in being "right" about everything shaving related. I'm just giving others another side of the story from people who claim to know. You mad, Bro?

Please stop with the name calling and insults guys. State the facts as you know them. Disagree in a gentlemanly manner or we will start over again somewhere else.

Thanks!

Yes, quite obviously I am mad, and it is intellectual derelicts and legends in their own minds together with seemlessly unending tide of newbies who asy troll-like and self serving questions mere schoolboys would think twice about asking, that have made me so...

I gotta close this thread as it is too early in the morning for arguments that can't be resolved. Agree to disagree.