Thread: Wade & Butcher Comeback

Originally Posted by Glock27

O.K. Now you are confusing me. Martin simplified it and now I have to consider every slight deviation. On pointy end could wind up with a hundred different slight deviations and become different. I am curious as to whether too much is being made out of too little. Now I am not attempting to be argumentative about this, I am just trying to learn something I never knew before, so, how much deviation is too much or not enough.

Martin's post showed the various style of points that serve as the basis for point style in razors - every razor conforms somewhat to each style..minor variations don't require a separate name, there just minor variations of a round point, spike point, barbers notch etc, hence the comment let's not reinvent the wheel or just call the wheel another name.

I notice that W&B garners a huge following and attention. I have a W&B blade. Have had it for years, the blade because the scales were a shambles and not restorable. Yet have I to get scales put on, but that is not the problem for me. Now; I know I am not in the right place for this, only because I just can't navigate to the correct spot, so, here goes. I have attempted to sharpen this blade. it is in very respectable condition, looks as if it was hardly used at all, but I just can't get the darned thing to sharped to use. I use a 4000 and an 8000 Norton water stone. Yes. I know. Send it off. For me that is not an option for me. I am hoping someone here might be able to kindly reply and give me an idea on how to properly approach sharpening this blade. None of the other blades I have are a problem. I do fine with them except this one. Can anyone provide me a respectable answer, if there is one. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Phrank

Martin's post showed the various style of points that serve as the basis for point style in razors - every razor conforms somewhat to each style..minor variations don't require a separate name, there just minor variations of a round point, spike point, barbers notch etc, hence the comment let's not reinvent the wheel or just call the wheel another name.

Believing firmly that 'there is nothing new under the Sun', I do feel there is a deep and somewhat unfortunate mood of cynicism in these recent comments. Are we not to add to the tapestry of straight razor design anymore? Indeed the notch design we've created isn't a bright light of 'newness' never before seen.... it's merely a formalised iterative design for a razor point, that in this exact profile is quite 'new' to modern razors.

The simple requirement for the Bezier Notch is that it is an elegantly proportioned quadratic bezier curve. The Spanish point and the Dreadnought point don't hold true to this statement. Simple.

It's all good fun,
Cheers, - Mike.

Originally Posted by MichaelC

Believing firmly that 'there is nothing new under the Sun', I do feel there is a deep and somewhat unfortunate mood of cynicism in these recent comments. Are we not to add to the tapestry of straight razor design anymore? Indeed the notch design we've created isn't a bright light of 'newness' never before seen.... it's merely a formalised iterative design for a razor point, that in this exact profile is quite 'new' to modern razors.

The simple requirement for the Bezier Notch is that it is an elegantly proportioned quadratic bezier curve. The Spanish point and the Dreadnought point don't hold true to this statement. Simple.

It's all good fun,
Cheers, - Mike.

As a RAD-afflicted consumer, I appreciate the addition of the Bezier notch/point as somewhat of a "cross-pollination" of the Dreadnought and Spanish points. However, once calculus is brought into discussion, specifically an "elegantly proportioned quadratic bezier curve," resistance to the new label is bound to occur.

(Wiki blames Renault auto body design in the '60s came on Pierre Bézier's curves. Personally, I much prefer his influence on the notch/point razors here in question)

The new tip style looks attractive to me. But I think it's often overlooked that the breakdown of tip styles into a few categories is overshadowing a lot of historical design. e.g., http://straightrazorpalace.com/show-...splay-set.html, and that is only from one maker over a small period. The French had some even more interesting styles, and I was sure I'd seen a bezier-type curve on some latter-19th century French razors but can't find them now.

Originally Posted by MichaelC

Believing firmly that 'there is nothing new under the Sun', I do feel there is a deep and somewhat unfortunate mood of cynicism in these recent comments. Are we not to add to the tapestry of straight razor design anymore? Indeed the notch design we've created isn't a bright light of 'newness' never before seen.... it's merely a formalised iterative design for a razor point, that in this exact profile is quite 'new' to modern razors.

The simple requirement for the Bezier Notch is that it is an elegantly proportioned quadratic bezier curve. The Spanish point and the Dreadnought point don't hold true to this statement. Simple.

It's all good fun,
Cheers, - Mike.

I like the concept. Might be the one and only new production razor I ever purchase, if I can afford it?
I have but one W&B, ugly and pitted. Broke scales, toe been cut off long ago. Beyond repair, but would have been a beauty in it's prime.

Originally Posted by MichaelC

Believing firmly that 'there is nothing new under the Sun', I do feel there is a deep and somewhat unfortunate mood of cynicism in these recent comments. Are we not to add to the tapestry of straight razor design anymore? Indeed the notch design we've created isn't a bright light of 'newness' never before seen.... it's merely a formalised iterative design for a razor point, that in this exact profile is quite 'new' to modern razors.

The simple requirement for the Bezier Notch is that it is an elegantly proportioned quadratic bezier curve. The Spanish point and the Dreadnought point don't hold true to this statement. Simple.

It's all good fun,
Cheers, - Mike.

I prefer modern razors but I still appreciate the vintage razors too. I am looking forward to seeing the revival of the brand and the cross-pollination..... my only questions is when? When do expect to start selling the razors?

Wish I understood this, but it. for me, is not relevant to understand it. I believe you believe you have created something and I believe you are right. Since I am illiterate regarding the technology behind SR's it doesn't prove anything of significance regarding me. What I have noted, from the pictures, is, it sure as hell looks nice. Every deviation of a curve or line, a balance placement or whatever it is a new creation...do yes, something new has been created.
I can't imagine all the technology and engineering and mathematics, chemistry and etc that goes into the design and creation of a simple tool as a SR. I guess for me everything is good as long as you intend to manufacture here in the U.S. That will make even greater. Of course all this is merely opinion without facts. But Huoo Rahh to you sir. Huoo Rahh!

Originally Posted by Glock27

I can't imagine all the technology and engineering and mathematics, chemistry and etc that goes into the design and creation of a simple tool as a SR. I guess for me everything is good as long as you intend to manufacture here in the U.S. That will make even greater. Of course all this is merely opinion without facts. But Huoo Rahh to you sir. Huoo Rahh!

It will not be made in the US.

O.K. Guess I wasn't as confused as I thought. Thanks for the response and clearing my foggy, foggy mind.