Thread: The Henckels Logo change

While it would not have made sense for Henckels to produce something "inferior", it would have made sense for them to have a less expensive "economy" (e.g. 10072) razor line that they would have given a slightly different (single twin) appearance to differentiate from their premium products.


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Originally Posted by Tarkus

Here's mine I had to have it cause I like the uniqueness of it. The only child if you will Har!!!

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That's just a half-assed Henkels, Darry!
HAR!

Originally Posted by sharptonn

That's just a half-assed Henkels, Darry!
HAR!

Har
Me thinks I know where the missing twin is at.


All kidding aside I do not find the theory of the second tier or seconds is a viable answer to this question.
Lets review. What could construe this razor as a second tier razor? Carbon steel is carbon steel, and the processes of working the metal (stamping, grinding heattreating, etc.) remains the same as well.
So the manufacturing is no different.
Ok so lets suppose they have a guy will call 2 Finger Freddy (from a horrible drop forge accident) who was grinding these specific blade models and always did a %&#@-ful job at grinding them,. What would the Henckels clan do? Would they invest in designing & manufacturing of a whole new scale design as well as a new tang stamp to distinguish O'll Freddy's handy work, and keep these sub-par razors on the market? Of course not, they would give Freddy his walking papers for not producing the quality J.A.Henckels is know for.
That's just my theory gentleman. But then I'm not a cutlery mogul.
Regards,
Tarkus (Darl)

I still like my story...

Somebody in marketing with a conscience decided to change the logo when Henckels got the contract to make daggers for the SA (the Brown Shirts)...
They (or somebody in the family) did make SA daggers.

SADAGGERS #38170C Early SA Dagger – Paul A. Henckels

The Paul A. Henckels firm must be an offshoot of the C. A.(sic) Henckels business; it seems like too much of a coincidence to see another maker with this name. This maker rates as an 8 on the McSARR scale, so it is quite scarce.

see: http://www.wwiidaggers.com/SADAGGERS.htm


Since Paul started making SA Daggers, they removed the prodigal from the logo maybe?

That's what I love about folklore...
Tell the story often enough and people begin to believe it!

Hmmmmmm
I still dont get it. He's more worried about his precious logo then his own name????

Originally Posted by Tarkus

Hmmmmmm
I still dont get it. He's more worried about his precious logo then his own name????

Not Paul... the rest of the family.

Paul lit out and took a government contract on his own...
The family then removed one twin (signifying Paul) from the company/family logo.
Get it?

Originally Posted by howdydave

I still like my story...

It is mildly amusing, if only because of the lack of underlying facts, and people's perverse fascination with Third Reich memorabilia.

For completeness's sake, here is a list of SA Dienstdolch makers. Pick your poison.



A.Evertz, Solingen
A. Werth, Solingen
A.G. Erbe., H.A. Schmalkalden
Abr. Schnittert, Solingen-wald
Adolf Volker, Schmalkalden
Aesculap, Tuttlingen
Albert Dorschel, Solingen
Albert Mebus, Solingen (AMSO)
Alderblick
Arrow
Anvil
Alexander Coppel, Solingen (ALCOSO)
Anton Wingen Jr., Solingen (Othello)
Arthur Melcher, Solingen-Merscheid (Armeso)
ASSO - Arthur Schüttelhöfer & co, Solingen
Aug. Knecht, Solingen
Aug. Küllenberg, Solingen-Gr.
Aug. Malsch FR. Sohn, Steinbach, Kr. Meinigen
Aug. Merten Ww., Solingen - Gr
August Bickel, Steinbach-Mallenberg
August Rother, Solingen
Axt - und Hauerfabrik - Berg & co., Solingen
Bismarck - August Müller KG , Solingen-Merscheid
Bruno Heimbucker
Böntgen & Sabin, Solingen
C. & R. Linder, Solingen-Weyer
C. Bertram Rein. Sohn, Solingen
C. Eppenstein Söhne, Solingen
C. Gustav Neeff, Solingen
C. Gustav Spitzer, Solingen
C. Linder, Solingen, Merscheid
C. Lütters & Cie, Lowenwerk, Solingen
C. Remscheid & Co., Solingen - Aufderhöhe (REMEVE)
C. Rud. Jacobs, Solingen-Grafräth
C. Schlieper, Solingen
C.D.Schaaff, Solingen
C.F. Kayser, Solingen
C.G. Haenel, Suhl
Carl Aug. Meis GMBH, Solingen
Carl Bender
Carl Eickhorn, Solingen
Carl Fr. Kührt, Kom. - Ges
Carl Grah, Solingen-Ohligs
Carl ********, Solingen-Wald
Carl Halbach, Stahlwarenfabrik, Solingen
Carl Heidelberg, Solingen.
Carl Jul. Krebs, Solingen
Carl Kloos, Solingen, Landwehr
Carl Schmidt & Sohn A.G., Solingen
Carl Tillmanns Söhne, Solingen (LUX)
Carl Wüsthof, Solingen
Carl Zander, Solingen
Christianswerk, Solingen
Chromolit - Arthur Wingens, Solingen
Clemen & Jung, Solingen
Curdts Nachf., Solingen
Curt Hoppe, Solingen
Daniel Peres, Solingen
David Malsch, Steinbach
E. & F. Hörster, Solingen
E.Bonsmann, Solingen
E. Gierling, Solingen
E. KNECHT & CO., Solingen
E. Lüttges & Co., Solingen
E. Schrick, Sohn, Solingen
E.P.& S.
Ed Wüsthof, Solingen
Ed. Gembruch, Solingen
Eduard Vitting, Solingen
Ehr. Reich, Schweina
Eickelnberg & Mack, Solingen
Emil Hermes
Emil Kaiser & Co., Solingen
Emil Voos, Solingen
Ernst Brückmann, Solingen-Ohligs
Ernst Busch, Solingen
Ernst Dirlam, Hoffnungswerk, Solingen
Ernst Erich Witte, Solingen
Ernst Gerling, Solingen-Ohligs
Ernst Hugo Rasspe, Solingen
Ernst Kemper, Solingen
Ernst Rottgen
Ernst Römer, Solingen
Ernst-Grah, Solingen-Wald
Eugen Haering, Solingen
Eugen Scheidt, Solingen-Ohlings
Ewald Cleff, Solingen
F. & A. Helbig, Steinbach, Kr.M
F. A. Kirschbaum & Co. , Solingen
F. Dick
F.Dick, Esslingen
F. Ed. Ohliger, Solingen
F. Herder A.S., Solingen
F.Koller & Co, Solingen-Ohligs
F. Plücker, Jr., Solingen
F. von Brosy-Steinberg, Solingen
F. Wilhelm Jordon, Solingen
F.W. Backhaus, Solingen
F.W. Höller, Solingen
Felbeck & Pickard
Ferd. Neuhaus, Solingen
Fr. v.d. Kohlen, Solingen
Franz Pils & Sohn, Steinbach
Franz Steinhoff, Solingen-Wald
Friedr. Aug. Schmitz, Solingen
Friedrich Geigis, Solingen-Foche
Fritz Barthelmess, Muggendorf (BAVARIA)
G. Felix, Gloriawerk, Solingen.
G. Reinhold Grah, Solingen-Foche
Gebr. Becker, Solingen
Gebr. Bell, Solingen-Gr.
Gebr. Berns, Solingen (OTTER)
Gebr. Böhme Nachfl, Brotterode
Gebr. Born
Gebr. Gräfrath, Solingen
Gebr. Halbach., Weyer b. Ohligs (Bulldog)
Gebr. Krusius, Solingen (Gazelle)
Gebr. Lützenkirchen, Solingen
Gebr. Torley, Solingen
Gebr. Heller
Gebr. Krumm, Solingen
Gebrüder Heller, Schmalkalden
Giesen & Forsthoff, Solingen
Gottlieb Hammersfahr, Solingen-Foche
Gottfr. Hoppe Söhne, Solingen
Gottfried Weyersberg Soehne, Solingen
Gottfried Müller Herges, Vogtei
Gust. Weyersberg Nachf., Solingen
Gustav Häker, Solingen
Gustav L.Koller Nachf, Solingen-Wald
Gustav Voss, Solingen
Gustav Völker
Gustav Wirth, Solingen-Gräfrath
H & F. Lauterjung, Solingen
H. Herder, Solingen
HACO - Ernst Mandewirth, Berlin
Hammersfahr Cie, Solingen
Hartkopf & Co., Solingen
Heinrich Böker &co , Solingen
Henkel & Müller, Solingen-Ohligs (Macero)
Herbeck & Meyer, Solingen-Mohscheid
Herbertz & Meurer, Solingen - Gr
Herder & Sohn., Solingen (Diogenes)
Herder & Engels, Solingen-Ohligs
Herm. Konejung A.G., Solingen
Herm. Linder, Söhne, Solingen
Hermann Schneider, Solingen - Aufderhöhe
Hermann Hahn, Sol.-Wald
Hugo Berns, Solingen-Ohligs (Hubeo)
Hugo Köller, Solingen
Hugo Linder Deltawerke, Solingen
Hugo Rader, Solingen
Hugo Servatius, Solingen
Is. Wolfertz, Solingen
J. Dirlam & Söhne, Solingen
J. Reuleaux, Solingen-Wald
J.A. Henckels, Zwillingswerke-Solingen
J.A. Schmidt & Soehne, Solingen
J.E. Dittert & co., Gmbh Neustadt I. S.
J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl
Jacobs & Co., Solingen-Gräfrath
Johann Leupold, Bayreuth (Leuco)
Johanniswerk, Bayreuth
Jos. Schlimbach, Solingen
Josef Münch, Brotterode
Josef Wolf, München-Au
Julius Bahrl Jr., Solingen
Julius Bodenstein, Steinbach Kr.M
Julius Ohliger, Solingen
Justinuswerk, Solingen
Karl Boker, Solingen
Karl Malsch Spitzer, Steinbach Kr. M
Karl Malsch Gust.Sohn, Steinback Kr. Mein
Karl Oschmann
Karl Rob. Kaldennbach, Solingen-Gr.
Kaufmann & Söhne, Solingen
Klittermann & Moog G.M.B.H., Haan b/Solingen
Koeller & Co
Kolumbuswerk, Eduard Becker, Solingen
Krom
Krieger
Kuno Ritter, Solingen
Louper - Louis Perlmann, Solingen (Flamme)
Ludwig Groten, Solingen
Ludwig Schiff
Ludwig Zeitler, Wien
Malsch & Ambronn, Steinbach
Mann & Federlein, Solingen-Ohligs
Mannos
Mav & vom Hau, Solingen-Ohligs
Max Weyersberg, Solingen.
Melzer & Feller , Zella -Mehlis
Neidhardt & Schmidt, Brotterode
Neptun - Küpper & Oertling, Solingen
Otto Linder, Solingen, Mersheid
Otto Simon, Steinbach, Kr. M.
Otto Stover, Solingen
P.A.Dunzer
P.D. Lüneschloss, Solingen
Paul A. Henckels, Solingen
Paul Ebel, Solingen
Paul Kohl, Solingen
Paul Seilheimer, Solingen
Paul Weyersberg, Solingen
Perfectum - C.D. Schaaff, Solingen
Peter Dan. Krebs, Solingen
Peter Lungstrass, Solingen – Ohligs
Pfeilringswerk - Müller & Schmidt, Solingen
Pils & Sohn
Prang
Puma - Lauterjung & Sohn, Solingen
Pumeto, Solingen
R.********tert & Büll, Solingen – Wald
Rau & Koch , südwest (RK)
Reinh. Weyersberg, Solingen
Rich. Balke & Söhne, Solingen
Rich. & E.Hartkopf, Solingen
Rich. Drees & Sohn, Solingen
Richard Abr. Herder
Richard Schmitz
Rob. Giersch, Solingen
Robert Herder, Solingen
Robert Klaas
Robert Müller, Solingen-Merscheid
Romi
Romüso - Müller and Sohn, Solingen-Merschied
Rudolf Büchel, Solingen- Merscheid
Rudolf Schmidt, Solingen
Seehund
SMF, Solingen
Spalteneder, München
Sudd Messerfabrik, Gefrees
Tiegelwerk Riemberg-Karl Tiegel, Bez.Breslau
Tiger - Lauterjung & co, Solingen
Undine - Kuno Meisenburg, Solingen
Wagner & Lange, Solingen
Waffenhammer, Deggendorf
Wedi
Wester & Butz, Solingen
Wilh. Halbach, Solingen
Wilh. Krieger, Solingen-Merscheid
Wilh. Wagner, Solingen-Merscheid
Wilh. Weltersbach, Solingen
Wilhelm Kober & Co., Suhl
Wilhelm Hoppe, Solingen
WKC (Weyersberg, Kirschbam & Cie.), Solingen

I don't care about the facts...

I'm trying to construct a plausible story here!

You shot me down by pointing out that J.A. Hinckels is also on the list.

The plot is defiantly thickening

I did find this

J.A. Henckels, Zwillingswerk. Solingen. Brand names: 'Acutal' (1924-5), 'Blitznieta' (1920), 'Coltelleria' (1924-5), 'Genielos' (1929), 'Henckels' (1898), 'Henckels Extra Dünn', 'Henckels-Klinge', 'Henckelswerke' (1901), 'J.A. Henckels' (1898), 'Noxida' (1924-5), 'Sigma' (1936), 'Twin Works' (1908), 'Vacuum' (1924-5), 'Wotan' (1898), 'Zwilling' (1871), 'Zwillinge' (1899), 'Zwillings-Klinge

http://strazors.com/uploads/images/henckels_1933.pdf
http://strazors.com/uploads/images/ZWILLING.pdf

These were from Manah's site. Hope your German is better than mine