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    While it would not have made sense for Henckels to produce something "inferior", it would have made sense for them to have a less expensive "economy" (e.g. 10072) razor line that they would have given a slightly different (single twin) appearance to differentiate from their premium products.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarkus View Post
    Here's mine I had to have it cause I like the uniqueness of it. The only child if you will Har!!!

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    That's just a half-assed Henkels, Darry!
    HAR!
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    I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharptonn View Post
    That's just a half-assed Henkels, Darry!
    HAR!
    Har
    Me thinks I know where the missing twin is at.
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    All kidding aside I do not find the theory of the second tier or seconds is a viable answer to this question.
    Lets review. What could construe this razor as a second tier razor? Carbon steel is carbon steel, and the processes of working the metal (stamping, grinding heattreating, etc.) remains the same as well.
    So the manufacturing is no different.
    Ok so lets suppose they have a guy will call 2 Finger Freddy (from a horrible drop forge accident) who was grinding these specific blade models and always did a %&#@-ful job at grinding them,. What would the Henckels clan do? Would they invest in designing & manufacturing of a whole new scale design as well as a new tang stamp to distinguish O'll Freddy's handy work, and keep these sub-par razors on the market? Of course not, they would give Freddy his walking papers for not producing the quality J.A.Henckels is know for.
    That's just my theory gentleman. But then I'm not a cutlery mogul.
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    I still like my story...

    Somebody in marketing with a conscience decided to change the logo when Henckels got the contract to make daggers for the SA (the Brown Shirts)...
    They (or somebody in the family) did make SA daggers.

    SADAGGERS #38170C Early SA Dagger – Paul A. Henckels

    The Paul A. Henckels firm must be an offshoot of the C. A.
    (sic) Henckels business; it seems like too much of a coincidence to see another maker with this name. This maker rates as an 8 on the McSARR scale, so it is quite scarce.

    see: http://www.wwiidaggers.com/SADAGGERS.htm


    Since Paul started making SA Daggers, they removed the prodigal from the logo maybe?

    That's what I love about folklore...
    Tell the story often enough and people begin to believe it!
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    Hmmmmmm
    I still dont get it. He's more worried about his precious logo then his own name????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarkus View Post
    Hmmmmmm
    I still dont get it. He's more worried about his precious logo then his own name????
    Not Paul... the rest of the family.

    Paul lit out and took a government contract on his own...
    The family then removed one twin (signifying Paul) from the company/family logo.
    Get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by howdydave View Post
    I still like my story...
    It is mildly amusing, if only because of the lack of underlying facts, and people's perverse fascination with Third Reich memorabilia.

    For completeness's sake, here is a list of SA Dienstdolch makers. Pick your poison.



    A.Evertz, Solingen
    A. Werth, Solingen
    A.G. Erbe., H.A. Schmalkalden
    Abr. Schnittert, Solingen-wald
    Adolf Volker, Schmalkalden
    Aesculap, Tuttlingen
    Albert Dorschel, Solingen
    Albert Mebus, Solingen (AMSO)
    Alderblick
    Arrow
    Anvil
    Alexander Coppel, Solingen (ALCOSO)
    Anton Wingen Jr., Solingen (Othello)
    Arthur Melcher, Solingen-Merscheid (Armeso)
    ASSO - Arthur Schüttelhöfer & co, Solingen
    Aug. Knecht, Solingen
    Aug. Küllenberg, Solingen-Gr.
    Aug. Malsch FR. Sohn, Steinbach, Kr. Meinigen
    Aug. Merten Ww., Solingen - Gr
    August Bickel, Steinbach-Mallenberg
    August Rother, Solingen
    Axt - und Hauerfabrik - Berg & co., Solingen
    Bismarck - August Müller KG , Solingen-Merscheid
    Bruno Heimbucker
    Böntgen & Sabin, Solingen
    C. & R. Linder, Solingen-Weyer
    C. Bertram Rein. Sohn, Solingen
    C. Eppenstein Söhne, Solingen
    C. Gustav Neeff, Solingen
    C. Gustav Spitzer, Solingen
    C. Linder, Solingen, Merscheid
    C. Lütters & Cie, Lowenwerk, Solingen
    C. Remscheid & Co., Solingen - Aufderhöhe (REMEVE)
    C. Rud. Jacobs, Solingen-Grafräth
    C. Schlieper, Solingen
    C.D.Schaaff, Solingen
    C.F. Kayser, Solingen
    C.G. Haenel, Suhl
    Carl Aug. Meis GMBH, Solingen
    Carl Bender
    Carl Eickhorn, Solingen
    Carl Fr. Kührt, Kom. - Ges
    Carl Grah, Solingen-Ohligs
    Carl ********, Solingen-Wald
    Carl Halbach, Stahlwarenfabrik, Solingen
    Carl Heidelberg, Solingen.
    Carl Jul. Krebs, Solingen
    Carl Kloos, Solingen, Landwehr
    Carl Schmidt & Sohn A.G., Solingen
    Carl Tillmanns Söhne, Solingen (LUX)
    Carl Wüsthof, Solingen
    Carl Zander, Solingen
    Christianswerk, Solingen
    Chromolit - Arthur Wingens, Solingen
    Clemen & Jung, Solingen
    Curdts Nachf., Solingen
    Curt Hoppe, Solingen
    Daniel Peres, Solingen
    David Malsch, Steinbach
    E. & F. Hörster, Solingen
    E.Bonsmann, Solingen
    E. Gierling, Solingen
    E. KNECHT & CO., Solingen
    E. Lüttges & Co., Solingen
    E. Schrick, Sohn, Solingen
    E.P.& S.
    Ed Wüsthof, Solingen
    Ed. Gembruch, Solingen
    Eduard Vitting, Solingen
    Ehr. Reich, Schweina
    Eickelnberg & Mack, Solingen
    Emil Hermes
    Emil Kaiser & Co., Solingen
    Emil Voos, Solingen
    Ernst Brückmann, Solingen-Ohligs
    Ernst Busch, Solingen
    Ernst Dirlam, Hoffnungswerk, Solingen
    Ernst Erich Witte, Solingen
    Ernst Gerling, Solingen-Ohligs
    Ernst Hugo Rasspe, Solingen
    Ernst Kemper, Solingen
    Ernst Rottgen
    Ernst Römer, Solingen
    Ernst-Grah, Solingen-Wald
    Eugen Haering, Solingen
    Eugen Scheidt, Solingen-Ohlings
    Ewald Cleff, Solingen
    F. & A. Helbig, Steinbach, Kr.M
    F. A. Kirschbaum & Co. , Solingen
    F. Dick
    F.Dick, Esslingen
    F. Ed. Ohliger, Solingen
    F. Herder A.S., Solingen
    F.Koller & Co, Solingen-Ohligs
    F. Plücker, Jr., Solingen
    F. von Brosy-Steinberg, Solingen
    F. Wilhelm Jordon, Solingen
    F.W. Backhaus, Solingen
    F.W. Höller, Solingen
    Felbeck & Pickard
    Ferd. Neuhaus, Solingen
    Fr. v.d. Kohlen, Solingen
    Franz Pils & Sohn, Steinbach
    Franz Steinhoff, Solingen-Wald
    Friedr. Aug. Schmitz, Solingen
    Friedrich Geigis, Solingen-Foche
    Fritz Barthelmess, Muggendorf (BAVARIA)
    G. Felix, Gloriawerk, Solingen.
    G. Reinhold Grah, Solingen-Foche
    Gebr. Becker, Solingen
    Gebr. Bell, Solingen-Gr.
    Gebr. Berns, Solingen (OTTER)
    Gebr. Böhme Nachfl, Brotterode
    Gebr. Born
    Gebr. Gräfrath, Solingen
    Gebr. Halbach., Weyer b. Ohligs (Bulldog)
    Gebr. Krusius, Solingen (Gazelle)
    Gebr. Lützenkirchen, Solingen
    Gebr. Torley, Solingen
    Gebr. Heller
    Gebr. Krumm, Solingen
    Gebrüder Heller, Schmalkalden
    Giesen & Forsthoff, Solingen
    Gottlieb Hammersfahr, Solingen-Foche
    Gottfr. Hoppe Söhne, Solingen
    Gottfried Weyersberg Soehne, Solingen
    Gottfried Müller Herges, Vogtei
    Gust. Weyersberg Nachf., Solingen
    Gustav Häker, Solingen
    Gustav L.Koller Nachf, Solingen-Wald
    Gustav Voss, Solingen
    Gustav Völker
    Gustav Wirth, Solingen-Gräfrath
    H & F. Lauterjung, Solingen
    H. Herder, Solingen
    HACO - Ernst Mandewirth, Berlin
    Hammersfahr Cie, Solingen
    Hartkopf & Co., Solingen
    Heinrich Böker &co , Solingen
    Henkel & Müller, Solingen-Ohligs (Macero)
    Herbeck & Meyer, Solingen-Mohscheid
    Herbertz & Meurer, Solingen - Gr
    Herder & Sohn., Solingen (Diogenes)
    Herder & Engels, Solingen-Ohligs
    Herm. Konejung A.G., Solingen
    Herm. Linder, Söhne, Solingen
    Hermann Schneider, Solingen - Aufderhöhe
    Hermann Hahn, Sol.-Wald
    Hugo Berns, Solingen-Ohligs (Hubeo)
    Hugo Köller, Solingen
    Hugo Linder Deltawerke, Solingen
    Hugo Rader, Solingen
    Hugo Servatius, Solingen
    Is. Wolfertz, Solingen
    J. Dirlam & Söhne, Solingen
    J. Reuleaux, Solingen-Wald
    J.A. Henckels, Zwillingswerke-Solingen
    J.A. Schmidt & Soehne, Solingen
    J.E. Dittert & co., Gmbh Neustadt I. S.
    J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl
    Jacobs & Co., Solingen-Gräfrath
    Johann Leupold, Bayreuth (Leuco)
    Johanniswerk, Bayreuth
    Jos. Schlimbach, Solingen
    Josef Münch, Brotterode
    Josef Wolf, München-Au
    Julius Bahrl Jr., Solingen
    Julius Bodenstein, Steinbach Kr.M
    Julius Ohliger, Solingen
    Justinuswerk, Solingen
    Karl Boker, Solingen
    Karl Malsch Spitzer, Steinbach Kr. M
    Karl Malsch Gust.Sohn, Steinback Kr. Mein
    Karl Oschmann
    Karl Rob. Kaldennbach, Solingen-Gr.
    Kaufmann & Söhne, Solingen
    Klittermann & Moog G.M.B.H., Haan b/Solingen
    Koeller & Co
    Kolumbuswerk, Eduard Becker, Solingen
    Krom
    Krieger
    Kuno Ritter, Solingen
    Louper - Louis Perlmann, Solingen (Flamme)
    Ludwig Groten, Solingen
    Ludwig Schiff
    Ludwig Zeitler, Wien
    Malsch & Ambronn, Steinbach
    Mann & Federlein, Solingen-Ohligs
    Mannos
    Mav & vom Hau, Solingen-Ohligs
    Max Weyersberg, Solingen.
    Melzer & Feller , Zella -Mehlis
    Neidhardt & Schmidt, Brotterode
    Neptun - Küpper & Oertling, Solingen
    Otto Linder, Solingen, Mersheid
    Otto Simon, Steinbach, Kr. M.
    Otto Stover, Solingen
    P.A.Dunzer
    P.D. Lüneschloss, Solingen
    Paul A. Henckels, Solingen
    Paul Ebel, Solingen
    Paul Kohl, Solingen
    Paul Seilheimer, Solingen
    Paul Weyersberg, Solingen
    Perfectum - C.D. Schaaff, Solingen
    Peter Dan. Krebs, Solingen
    Peter Lungstrass, Solingen – Ohligs
    Pfeilringswerk - Müller & Schmidt, Solingen
    Pils & Sohn
    Prang
    Puma - Lauterjung & Sohn, Solingen
    Pumeto, Solingen
    R.********tert & Büll, Solingen – Wald
    Rau & Koch , südwest (RK)
    Reinh. Weyersberg, Solingen
    Rich. Balke & Söhne, Solingen
    Rich. & E.Hartkopf, Solingen
    Rich. Drees & Sohn, Solingen
    Richard Abr. Herder
    Richard Schmitz
    Rob. Giersch, Solingen
    Robert Herder, Solingen
    Robert Klaas
    Robert Müller, Solingen-Merscheid
    Romi
    Romüso - Müller and Sohn, Solingen-Merschied
    Rudolf Büchel, Solingen- Merscheid
    Rudolf Schmidt, Solingen
    Seehund
    SMF, Solingen
    Spalteneder, München
    Sudd Messerfabrik, Gefrees
    Tiegelwerk Riemberg-Karl Tiegel, Bez.Breslau
    Tiger - Lauterjung & co, Solingen
    Undine - Kuno Meisenburg, Solingen
    Wagner & Lange, Solingen
    Waffenhammer, Deggendorf
    Wedi
    Wester & Butz, Solingen
    Wilh. Halbach, Solingen
    Wilh. Krieger, Solingen-Merscheid
    Wilh. Wagner, Solingen-Merscheid
    Wilh. Weltersbach, Solingen
    Wilhelm Kober & Co., Suhl
    Wilhelm Hoppe, Solingen
    WKC (Weyersberg, Kirschbam & Cie.), Solingen

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    I don't care about the facts...

    I'm trying to construct a plausible story here!

    You shot me down by pointing out that J.A. Hinckels is also on the list.
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    The plot is defiantly thickening
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    I did find this

    J.A. Henckels, Zwillingswerk. Solingen. Brand names: 'Acutal' (1924-5), 'Blitznieta' (1920), 'Coltelleria' (1924-5), 'Genielos' (1929), 'Henckels' (1898), 'Henckels Extra Dünn', 'Henckels-Klinge', 'Henckelswerke' (1901), 'J.A. Henckels' (1898), 'Noxida' (1924-5), 'Sigma' (1936), 'Twin Works' (1908), 'Vacuum' (1924-5), 'Wotan' (1898), 'Zwilling' (1871), 'Zwillinge' (1899), 'Zwillings-Klinge

    http://strazors.com/uploads/images/henckels_1933.pdf
    http://strazors.com/uploads/images/ZWILLING.pdf

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