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I picked this up at an antique shop in central Texas last week. Wondering if it is real or Fili scales on another blade. Tang only says "made in Spain" & "13-b" on the monkey tail. 5/8 blade, gold wash is an eagle with an "E PLURIBUS UNUM" banner held in the beak & 8 stars. I've never seen this before. Any thoughts?
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I think this is a fake. Scales and steel, there are not teue filarmonica.
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I was 90% sure it wasn't a real Fili, but I haven't seen everything....yet.
Still it got my curiosity up. Will see what it shaves like after I hone it up.
Those tang stamps look pritty identical to what they.used to stamp exports...scales seem legit too...I wouldnt be surprised if it shaved like a Fili too...could have been a special order...I have seem many strange things regarding Filarmonica and everytime I think I have seen them all something like this pops up:))
The scales I think are genuine. It was the blade that I was courious about. I have never seen anything on a Filarmonica I know is gen like this and the single, English, tang stamp didn't feel correct either.
I think it could be genuine a very late export model, the quality is hit and miss on these last models.
The pivot pin appears to be the very modern style "nail head" type. My guess is that it was unpinned at some recent point in time. Can't see what the wedge pin is though. Very well may be a late production model but I really do not know much about Fillis.
Bob
It is a Filarmonica and probably a very late model, near when they went out of business. The company near its end started using Made in Spain in English so that stamp is not a problem, were there any marking on the other side? 13-B is a fairly common marking on later Filis. I have never seen this blade etching before but that means nothing. The company was grasping at straws near the end and it is suggested they weren't even making their own razors near the end. This could be a special order, a limited run or even an advertising model. The pinning on yours is identical to my 3 so you are good there as well in terms of this being a File. Now, if this model is from a later production model there can be issues, not so much with the blade as with the over-all quality control. You should be able to get many wonderful shaves from that unique razor. Nice find!
The pinning is identical to my only other Filarmonica, which I know is a later model.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc47
There are no other marks on the tang. My #13 has "Made in Spain" in English & Spanish on the pile side of the tang, "Filarmonica" and the lyre on the front side. That is what made me leery of it. Hope the geometry and steel are good. Looking forward to using it.
Your 3 Filis have the "nail head" pins like modern production razors such as Dovo, TI and Revisor?Quote:
Originally Posted by doc47
Bob
Bob, here is a photo. Are they not the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
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Yup ... late production filis used nail type pins...
And as far as I remember the tang markings wewr stamped on to remember the blade's designated heat treatment and temper...while this may or may not be true...what is certain is the letters match the models accordingly and are more frequently found on exported blades of late production...although this is not a rule....some Sello Oro models have no tail stamps...
The bumber was followed by a letter:
S - for Sub Cero
P - Novodur
G - Double Temple
B - Medallon Taurino
N - Inox
T - EPBD
If my guess is right your fily should be a wedge grind....from a Medallon Taurino blank...let me know if I nailed it:)
It's a 5/8 full hollow ground. Can't answer to the rest. :shrug:
[QUOTE=doc47;1757571]Bob, here is a photo. Are they not the same?[QUOTE]
Here are the pins used today by most current makers.
Spare parts : E-0001
They have a head like a nail formed to look like a peened pin. The nail head is usually seen on the show side of the razor and the other end is peened traditionally.
Have a closer look at the OP's pivot pin. I think the wedge pin is done traditionally.
Here is a photo of my modern TI and "nail head" type pinning on the show side of the razor.
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It could very well be a very late production Fili but I think it has been repinned at sometime in the past for some unknown reason.
Thanks Bob!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Thanks for the info. You get to learn something new everyday. Still a little puzzled why the wedge pin appears to be traditionally peened and not the pivot. I guess it is possible the whoever did the pinning put the nail head on the off side for the wedge for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiucotiga
Bob
You are welcome. It is a small thing and easily overlooked in a photo.Quote:
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Bob
Here is a pic of the wedge pin if it helps.
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Thanks for posting that. Sure looks like the nail head type pin to me. I really could not tell from your first set of photos. Learned a lot about late production Fillis thanks to your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jlander
Looks like you have yourself a late production Filli made for the American market judging by the etching. Nice find enjoy.
Bob
Not the least to consider is the standing challenge made on this site some years ago which simply says "show me a counterfeit razor". No one has ever answered this challenge successfully. People suspect but it never pans out.
So the likelihood of it being a knockoff is very slim indeed.
To be honest, I was 90% sure that this was a set of gen scales on an unknown blade. I just didn't think a major Spanish razor would put the US motto on it's product. I did not consider promotional or special orders.Quote:
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