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05-25-2018, 06:35 AM #11
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Thanked: 4827I never bothered playing around with them. They do have a following. Here is why I never bothered. You buy a $4 Razor, then spend three hours fixing it before you can hone it and in the end you have a $4 Razor. I bought new razors to learn to hone n, but they were Solingen razors. Why? Because I wanted to learn how to hone not correct poorly made razors. All my new razor survived just fine too.
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05-25-2018, 07:22 AM #12
This question always remind me of a thread once where there was a poll asking about how you determine what a good quality razor is (I believe gssixgun made that thread, but I can't recall 100%, so my bad if I'm wrong)
Something along the lines of:
a) how easy / hard it is to hone; how it behaves on the stones or b) how it shaves
Both are important, BUT for me how easy / hard it is to hone is vital in how I value a quality razor
A poorly made razor with bad geometry that is a PITA to hone = a shitty razor in my book, a razor where I have to correct the geometry is a poorly made one imo
EVEN a gold dollar takes an edge and can be made shave ready and pretty much everything else I've held in my hands took a good edge and could be made shave ready
even-though this is a vital part because all we do is SHAVE in the end, it doesn't tell me about the true overall quality of the blade (it does tell me that the steel is adequate and capable),
not many will say a Gold Dollar is a good quality razor all around, scales / poor geometry n'at
As with anything else with life, to each his own, but I cba to bother with them, I'll enjoy my Sheffields, Solingen and Eskilstuna razors
Ain't nobody got time for gold dollahz
If YOU wanna practice on them and see if you can get em to shave well, that's cool in my book too!
That's just my opinion, ymmv
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05-25-2018, 01:25 PM #13
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05-25-2018, 01:28 PM #14
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05-25-2018, 01:54 PM #15
Yes they'll take a good edge and can shave very well indeed, but I've found them to be a bit more sensitive to the hone than other brands. Also, as the model numbers go up, they get a bit better finished and considerably less 'meaty' than the 66.
Basically they're just a crudely made 6/8-13/16 half hollow. I maintain a number of high graded mostly 208s as test razors, and if they couldn't take a great edge, I could not use them for what I do. My high graded razors are those that don't require honing 'gymnastics'. They keep the wear off better razors when doing the initial tests of Japanese stones, matching tomonagura, etc.
Bluesman7 pretty much said it all, but maybe some things to note. They're all pretty much the same within a model number, so for example, I can hone 2 different 208's on the same stone with different tomo and test them side-by-side during one shave. The variance between razors, soaps, lathering, is minimized or eliminated. It would be much harder to find matched razors for testing outside of Gold Dollars, and if I had a set of matched Solingen I wouldn't want to use them for this kind of testing, it would be kind of abusing them and they'd be too valuable.
When I do air travel with a straight, there's usually a Gold Dollar or two in the checked baggage along with a couple of user grade mainstream razors. I don't have to worry about them and I can give them as gifts (or punishment ) or get an edge critique if the occasion arises.
The scales are arguably the worst part. I've re-scaled a couple with 'donor' scales that I have lying around and the difference is pretty large! They actually become more pleasant to use, though I doubt that I'd reach for one if I weren't testing something.
The stabilizer has always been a sticking point, but not all models (like the 208) have one. I just hone around it. If you're learning to hone, you should learn not to run any stabilizer up on the hone, and if you run a 66 stabilizer up on the stone, it will let you know.
I would not recommend a factory Gold Dollar to someone beginning to hone unless the seller knows what your doing and has also high graded one for you. You need to be learning how to set a bevel and identify a set/unset bevel, remove striae evenly along the bevel, and not trying just to get the bevel to hit the hone, deal with warped or bent blades, or the other problems you find with them.
They're also good stock for teaching yourself razor modding, thinning, smoothing, polishing, re-scaling, etc. Some people can make works of art out of one though the labor is prohibitive from a non-hobby standpoint.
Finally, a factory Dollar just isn't much fun to shave with. It's chunky, clunky, and isn't very pretty so there's really no reason to reach for one unless you have a specific reason to reach for one, or maybe two!
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Steve
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DaninTx (05-25-2018)
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05-25-2018, 02:05 PM #16
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Thanked: 13246The discussion that never ends
I think it was put perfectly many years ago and I haven't seen it described more succinctly nor better in the last 9 or so years
"If Wal-Mart sold a Straight razor it would be a Gold Dollar"
That single statement which was coined by Jimmy ??? says it all"No amount of money spent on a Stone can ever replace the value of the time it takes learning to use it properly"
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05-25-2018, 10:03 PM #17
Be careful what you mention Glen.... lol.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/GBS-Shavi...p-Le/107946369
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05-25-2018, 10:14 PM #18
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Thanked: 13246That about figures Steve
"No amount of money spent on a Stone can ever replace the value of the time it takes learning to use it properly"
Very Respectfully - Glen
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05-26-2018, 12:27 AM #19
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Thanked: 433I would save my money and get a Chinese ZY razor they are sharpened by seriously over worked 67 years old MASTER SHIFU...............lol
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05-31-2018, 03:42 PM #20
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