Well.. I bought a new Norton Waterstsone, 4k/8k and a DOVO strop, and tried Lynns Pyramid for heavy used blades and then tried to strop 30 or so.. and they're not sharp at all .. apparently I suck at this.. lol .. Better get better before the new DOVO I bought and sent to Lynn to sharpen up gets mailed back to me... or I'll destroy it..