Thread: New razor company - good bet?

If TI and Dovo both are months behind and Boker has resumed production, I would have to say yes !

I think it would be just great if we could purchase an SRD brand high quality moderately priced straight razor/s. I can think of no one better to work with a manufacturer in designing an excellent razor!!

Not to be a wet blanket and not pointing fingers at any faction of straight razor shavers, but most would agree, solidarity to a specific forum seems to be of great importance to many (SRP for me for example). I think non-SRP members that belong to different shaving groups would not be as excited as most of us would be about an SRD branded straight, and I hate to say some would probably even avoid such a purchase for that very reason.

Would there be enough demand from a non-forum affiliated new production focused straight razor company start up? Maybe a U.S. niche company (much like Retro 51 is to writing instruments. Aren't they based out of Texas?)? If it got the right press and marketed well and really promoted itself, bringing the old world and a dying art to life? I absolutely think there would be enough of a demand to fill. Give the company the right name, catchy, non-phony with an interesting edge to it and you're on your way.

I'm in. Who's got seed money or knows any venture capitalists?

Chris L

The only current manufactures of quality straight razors are also producing other lines of cutlery that are the mainstays of their companies. I couldn't imagine a company starting up dedicated solely to competitively priced straight razors and succeeding.

We are a fortunate bunch. We have the vintage market which never seems to run dry as well as a handful terrific custom makers and finally the mainstays such as TI and Dovo. I would love to see a company start up and survive making high quality reasonably priced straights but being the niche market that it is I doubt it is feasable.

Originally Posted by Chris L

Not to be a wet blanket and not pointing fingers at any faction of straight razor shavers, but most would agree, solidarity to a specific forum seems to be of great importance to many (SRP for me for example). I think non-SRP members that belong to different shaving groups would not be as excited as most of us would be about an SRD branded straight, and I hate to say some would probably even avoid such a purchase for that very reason.


Chris L

It does at times seem like people are rooting for their local sports team. Some, on another board seem to be very fond to (over?)hype products with their on forum label on.

Maybe if a new company started offering something different it might be successful. I haven't bought a DOVO or a TI simply because I don't want a hollow ground. If a company made a good wedge I would definately be a customer.

I think Tony makes an excellent point but I do feel that there is a niche between the Livis and Zowadas and TI/Dovo. It is my aim, ultimately, to try to fill that niche - not, I hasten to add, by making the whole thing myself (wrong/absent skillset and who does that anyway?) but to interest a UK knifemaker for maybe initial limited runs for the collector/high end market. To have a blade going out stamped 'Sheffield' -well, that for me is BOSS.

(So - any UK knifemakers out there who want to test the wicket?)

Tony made mention of it and I also remember reading something about Dovo having a hard time finding people interested in acquiring the skills (apprentices, etc.) needed to make quality razors. Labor would be a problem.

Jordan

Originally Posted by blueprinciple

maybe initial limited runs for the collector/high end market.

(So - any UK knifemakers out there who want to test the wicket?)

Are you saying the initially, if your plan comes to fruition (and I for one hope it does) that only initially would limited high end razors be offered with the idea that eventually, a wider variety and more moderately priced razors would be available?

I ask because I see Livi & Zowada synonymous with "collector/high end market".

Chris L

Tony Miller makes the best point, IMO-One can pay people to do a job but you cannot pay people to care.


With the cost of running ANY small or large business-making a price point is practically IMPOSSIBLE on a hand made item. Few of today's youth would NEVER consider spending time as an apprentice-learning a craft. BUT with the availability of CNC machining centers, prototyping equipment etc.-why not a 100% machine made product. Provided the set-up is correct, machines rarely have a bad day.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

If TI and Dovo both are months behind and Boker has resumed production, I would have to say yes !

Startup costs are the deal breaker. There is more busines than Dovo or TI can handle but could a new name on the market cut out a large enough share, and quickly enough to overcome the large startup costs needed to even go into production? How about skilled workers to perfectly grind each razor and make quality scales at a production, rather than craftsman rate and what wages would one have to offer and could they be recovered.

These hurdles are why larger makers can more easily offer new products and ideas than small ones and why many small businesses stay small. There are guys out there now making fantastic razors but the jump from a handcrafted Chandler, Williams, Ellis or Earl to Dovo or TI sized production is a huge one. The real meat and potatoes...the hand crafting would have to be passed on to others and that is where quality can take a huge turn. I found that even with my own endevour in order to step up production I would need to add people and there are steps I simply cannot farm out to anyone....the cutting and selection of the strops themselves and assembly of the paddles. On a razor engineers and technical people can design the steel and heat treatment processes but the grinding will require true craftsmanship and will make or break the product.

One can pay people to do a job but you cannot pay people to care.

My real job is in the aerospace industry and one thing overlooked even at our large firm is the difference between can we make this on paper and can we make this in reality.

Tony