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    Quote Originally Posted by stdreb27 View Post
    At some point you're paying for a name too.

    American (I say that because that is where I'm from) consumers have moved from an emphasis on quality to an emphasis on convenience, and their immediate price point. And that is what Gillette is pursuing, or pushing.
    Oh, absolutely. That's part of what I meant to imply with "it would still be expensive" even if unadorned. I should ahve said so explicitly. Is his time and work really that much more valuiable than some other very highly regarded straight makers? Maybe, maybe not.

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    Sorry about this.But I have to say that I don't find the Livis or other customs overpriced at all.

    I actually don't understand how making such treasures can be very profitieble at all.I know he/they make several razors at a time, but still, considering the hours for each razor
    If you hire me as a carpenter, you pay about 500$ a day, now think of a lawier.......

    I don't think they are in it for the money.wich I'm offcourse very thankfull for

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    Quote Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin View Post
    Sorry about this.But I have to say that I don't find the Livis or other customs overpriced at all.
    I hope this isn't a response to what I wrote. I did not mean to say that at all. I am a lawyer, and even at "friend prices" I couldn't do a very good job on much at all before my fees got to at least what a Livi costs.

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    Great responses to a good question. A while ago I had a brief discussion on why some Japanese razors cost so much and prized so highly and my comments fit here. It is not only the quality of the item but the history behind the item that enhances the price.

    First, if the shavette were made by hand and not by an automated machine it would cost a lot more. This relates into history as quality is not guaranteed.

    Second, if the shavette were hand made by a skilled craftsman with Livi's reputation monitoring each step the cost would go up more. This relates into quality and history.

    Third, as was mentioned above, the intent of the Livi straight is to provide a great shave presented in a great package where the Shavette was designed and built to use disposable blades and just get the job done as to do those in an acceptable manor.

    As with most things in life, you get what you pay for and if the price sounds to good to be true it usually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokelaw1 View Post
    I hope this isn't a response to what I wrote. I did not mean to say that at all. I am a lawyer, and even at "friend prices" I couldn't do a very good job on much at all before my fees got to at least what a Livi costs.

    He he, not at all.I have just been wondering about it, and how they(Custom makers) can actually make a decent living at what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin View Post
    He he, not at all.I have just been wondering about it, and how they(Custom makers) can actually make a decent living at what they do.
    It's not easy. There are a lot of things to factor in such as time spent, materials cost, DISPOSABLE materials cost (belts, blades, oil, etc.), electricity, etc. Certain aspects of making a razor go quickly and certain don't. Certain procedures are very grueling and/or sensitive and others aren't. It isn't just about "a razor that shaves" as we all I'm sure know. It's a handmade piece of art that has (hopefully) taken a LOT of thought by the maker. One famous knifemaker once said something along the lines of: "you can always tell the full time makers from the amateurs by looking at their price. The amateurs don't charge enough."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin View Post
    Sorry about this.But I have to say that I don't find the Livis or other customs overpriced at all.

    I actually don't understand how making such treasures can be very profitieble at all.I know he/they make several razors at a time, but still, considering the hours for each razor
    If you hire me as a carpenter, you pay about 500$ a day, now think of a lawier.......

    I don't think they are in it for the money.wich I'm offcourse very thankfull for
    I wasn't complaining about cost, if that is what you were refering to. Making a razor has high fixed costs, and high labor costs, especially if the system is not automated at all. I'll bet once it all is said and done, he doesn't have that much a markup in it at all. The materials aren't that much, but the value added is very high.

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    I wasn't refering to anything.Just been wondering about it, thats all.

    Quote Originally Posted by stdreb27 View Post
    I wasn't complaining about cost, if that is what you were refering to. Making a razor has high fixed costs, and high labor costs, especially if the system is not automated at all. I'll bet once it all is said and done, he doesn't have that much a markup in it at all. The materials aren't that much, but the value added is very high.

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    A full time razor or cutlery maker is a rare thing. Most guys do it as a sideline or hobbie. I think Tim Zowada is the only full time knife maker in the U.S. Livi make s all kinds of cutlery besides razors. Its not all that time consuming as you might thing. If your skilled you can turn out a razor pretty fast.

    As has been said your paying for the guys reputation and experience. Thats why a Zowada cost what it does and an unknown razor maker charges far less though the final product might be just a good.

    Lastly, the shave is not the reason to buy these razors. A $50 Eboy special can shave just a good. If that's how you look at it its not for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahoochiewatchie View Post
    But what really is the difference? ..... Just wondering...
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