Thread: DAMASCENE

HELLO
Can someone tell me what a "DAMASCENE" razor is ? Is this the same as a DAMASCUS razor ?

Thanks
MARK

Originally Posted by MARKHOLLADAY

HELLO
Can someone tell me what a "DAMASCENE" razor is ? Is this the same as a DAMASCUS razor ?

Thanks
MARK

Damascene=damascus like but not true damascus.
As I understand it the true damascus is a lost art and what we make today such as pattern welded damascus, laminated steel, and other methods are only attempts at copying true damascus.

Originally Posted by JMS

Damascene=damascus like but not true damascus.
As I understand it the true damascus is a lost art and what we make today such as pattern welded damascus, laminated steel, and other methods are only attempts at copying true damascus.

The Japanese have been laminating steel for some time now so maybe thats not a good example but rather a seperate process which create damascus like features

Originally Posted by JMS

The Japanese have been laminating steel for some time now so maybe thats not a good example but rather a seperate process which create damascus like features

wootz aka Damascus is not laminated. damascus aka pattern welded is laminated.

Check this out.

:: Damasteel AB :: Home

So long as the patter is horizontal around the edge, it can make excellent straight razors.

Lynn

So are they worth any more than a regular carbon steel blade razor ?

Pattern welded "Damascened" steel

It used to be believed that Damascus steel was made using pattern welding because the layering revealed by etching a pattern-welded blade in acid is similar to that of Damascus steel.
Pattern welded steel is commonly sold today as "Damascus steel", though it appears that the original Damascus steel was not created with that technique. Pattern welded Damascus is made out of several types of steel and iron slices, which are then welded together to form a billet. The patterns vary depending on what the smith does to the billet. The billet is drawn out and folded until the desired number of layers are formed. The end result, if done well, bears a strong resemblance to the surface appearance of a true Damascus blade, though the internal structure is completely dissimilar.

Pattern welding

Originally Posted by kevint

wootz aka Damascus is not laminated. damascus aka pattern welded is laminated.

Yes, but my point was that pattern welded steel was originally an imitation damascus and not the real stuff, where as the Japanese laminated steels were originally done for strength and flexibility but not as an imitation of Woots aka Damascus steel.

Originally Posted by JMS

Yes, but my point was that pattern welded steel was originally an imitation damascus and not the real stuff, where as the Japanese laminated steels were originally done for strength and flexibility but not as an imitation of Woots aka Damascus steel.

I know. It's all good.

my point is wootz is not laminated so un related to tamahagane technology- opposites really.

Damascene is a powdered metal process using stainless steel to produce a Damascus pattern. Other than the pattern produced it has absolutely nothing to do with Damascus steel.

Damascus steel makes a good collector’s razor - one to sit in a case and look good. They usually don’t make good shavers due to micro chipping of the cutting edge. Damascene stainless Damascus pattern blades on the other hand make excellent shavers.