Thread: Thiers Issard Historic Flying Tudor Rose

Hello everybody...I just recive Thiers Issard Historic Flying Tudor Rose from classicshaving.com and need some help if anyone know is this razor old forging many years ago or is it entirely new forging.

I believe CS only has the older forgings, regardless that one is a historic--thus old forging.

Here is the description of this razor directly from Classic Shaving:

"Forged of Best Quality High Carbon Steel and beautifully decorated with our own Limited Edition Flying Tudor Rose Design. This Fully Hollowed "Singing" 5/8 Round Point razor is produced from Entirely New Forgings.

Polished to a mirror finish both front and back and bearing our exclusive "Bijou de France" trademark, hand applied in 24k gold to the blade front. File jimps on the lower edge of the shank provide a secure grip.

The finished blade is mated to a hand-made and fitted Genuine Snakewood handle. A valuable collectible and exceptional everyday shaver!?

But classicshaving also says this down...

The Flying Tudor Rose razors have the very rare forged decorated back. Not hand decorated but forged decorated. These are akin to the old famous "Egyptian" razors. These razors were in fact forged by the old Thiers-Issard factory before 1937 (probably well before) and were only rediscovered about 12 months ago, when the old factory storage place was resold by someone who had bought the old factory storage place but had not noticed that there was stock there. These forged decorated backs are very very difficult to do in modern forgings, not to mention the cost of the operation. These are absolutely magnificent razors with wonderful steel!




And if that razors is entirely new like you said why they have name Historic???

Well, I've read through that text several times and it's quite ambiguous. It seems to indicate that this razor is a pre 1937 forging. However, the initial text does say it's a new forging. Perhaps they mean it is newly ground from an old, "historic" blank. An e-mail to Classic Shaving (or TI) may provide a clear answer.

As for why call them "Historic?" A marketing technique to indicate that this razor is of higher quality and therefore set apart from TIs other razors. Of course that's mere speculation on my part. There is always the perception that, with more traditional products, older is better. Don't get me wrong, I think TI makes wonderful razors and, regardless of it's origin, this one is beautiful and I hope you're enjoying it.

Don't they mean just that those are NOS?

Originally Posted by king1976

But classicshaving also says this down...

The Flying Tudor Rose razors have the very rare forged decorated back. Not hand decorated but forged decorated. These are akin to the old famous "Egyptian" razors. These razors were in fact forged by the old Thiers-Issard factory before 1937 (probably well before) and were only rediscovered about 12 months ago, when the old factory storage place was resold by someone who had bought the old factory storage place but had not noticed that there was stock there. These forged decorated backs are very very difficult to do in modern forgings, not to mention the cost of the operation. These are absolutely magnificent razors with wonderful steel!




And if that razors is entirely new like you said why they have name Historic???

I can hardly wait to see what they discover next month!

It is hard to believe that so many blanks have been living for so long in so many different workplaces. Fishy odours are emerging from my computer.

Originally Posted by radaddict

Don't get me wrong, I think TI makes wonderful razors and, regardless of it's origin, this one is beautiful and I hope you're enjoying it.

Read my other thread "Thiers Issard new problem" and you will see how I enyoj in this razor

Originally Posted by king1976

Read my other thread "Thiers Issard new problem" and you will see how I enjoy in this razor

Yeah, I read that and I'm sorry to hear it. Perhaps you can return the razor for a refund? I like TIs regular product line. Their "Historic" product line may be more marketing than history. Good luck!