Did you order this direct from the company or off ebay?Quote:
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Did you order this direct from the company or off ebay?Quote:
Originally Posted by jreiter22
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Originally Posted by keenedge
Since he says "Gool Dollar" I'll bet it's ebay. I asked the same guy about stainless ones and have yet to receive an answer (4 days and counting...).
I posted a link for the razor. The fellow I ordered from relisted after I asked if he still had them.
I'm curious what the difference is between the 200 and the 208.
Also am wondering what the finish differences are between 100 and the 200.
Great thread so far.
At the moment mr.parko has 5 razors listed 208, 777 (Gold Monkey), 66, 200 and 100. All say Carbon Steel. Has anyone figured out the differences between them?
Rudy
Some of the photos show jimps while others don't. Also, the higher model numbers have more elaborate painting on the blade. (I have a #66 in route, but otherwise have only seen ebay photos.)
I certainly hope he starts offering the 800 stainless. They are very nice looking razors, and I'm a stanless fan. I haven't honed one up yet, though.
As far as I can tell, the difference between the 200 and the 208 is the faux carbon scales on the 208. It should be a nice razor, if it's like the 200.
what's the size of the 200? looks like a 7/8?
Thanks for the replies guys. So does that mean they all share the same steel? Or even the same blade?
In addition to the size it would be great to find out the grind as well.
Seraphim I'm with you on the stainless stuff. I come from the world of kitchen knives and am a huge fan of stainless kitchen knives, but only in Japanese steel.
Rudy
If he follows the same pricing pattern as he does with the other models, guys interested in the 800 would be looking at around $50-60 bucks. Online price here is about $35.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
Edit: And Rudy, the sellers are saying that they are using Japan Stainless. "440C日本精钢"
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Originally Posted by jorgeovi
GDs are all 13/16 to 7/8 blades, thereabouts...
Wow is that right? Now on which of the razors did you see that? Was it on all of them? Because the auction listing for mr.parko says they are all carbon steel. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shangers
How do you like your Golden Monkey? Incidentally Mr.Parko claims that 777 model is the Golden Monkey at least on his auction listing. None of the others have any distinguishing characteristics listed for them.:confused:
Thank You.
Rudy
Hey Rudy,Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyG
The 440C Stainless is only for the GD800 that Seraphim mentioned. I don't actually have a Gold Monkey. Just saw one for sale (the 666). I just bought a DA 74 (it has jimps top and bottom). I only got that one to practice on. I may buy some others later to mod for some friends and family. Will probably go for the DA or GD 200 that Walt and Seraphim like because of the double shoulder.
Ahhh thank you for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shangers
Is the DA 74 the same one that stamps222 is selling? Although you, of course, could buy it locally for less.
From your posts it seems like you feel there's little need in doing a group buy since Mr.Parko's prices are quite in line with what hey are in China. Did I understand you correctly?
Seraphim, did you already buy the stainless model? If so I would love to hear your impressions of it. Geometry, honing and shaving characteristics. Also, when you get a reply about them being carried/listed I'm definitely interested in that.
Rudy
Matt my 66 is jimped on the bottom of the tang.
Hey Rudy,Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyG
I never did see what stamps222 was offering. I can't seem to find any online for him now. However, I believe Seraphim used to get the GD74. The blade I have is exactly the same except that it has jimps on top and bottom. Same single shoulder. My scales are a yellowish color like Walt's DA200 instead of the off-white like Seraphim's model.
Mine has no etching on the blade. The tang had the crossed arrows, and a squiggly line like the one shown on the GD site.
Scales were already cracked on both sides at the pivot point, but that didn't matter as I will be changing them.
As far as doing a group buy goes. I think if you could get maybe 20 guys that wanted to do it, it might be ok. You could probably get the 200 model for around $5 each (not sure as I haven't contacted the manufacturer). Then each of you guys would only spend $30 which would include your portion of the shipping. However, if you don't need 5 razors, and just want to see if you like them before you have a bunch of razors laying around, just get them from the guy selling them for $10. You can get 3 of them and add the cost of shipping and it is about the same. I think I saw he was doing shipping for about $5. It just seems like it will be difficult to get 20 guys to all want to buy.
I could be wrong, Seraphim would know, but I think the steel used in all the lower models 66, 74, 100, 200, 208 is all the same. The only difference is the handles, the shoulders, and whether or not the have jimps. If you are going to mod them anyway, it shouldn't really matter.
Edit: Removed the link for the GD site cause it came up weird looking. However, you guys all know that site, it has been posted before.
OK thanks. Here's the link to stamps222 on eHay. :)
Famous Double Arrow straight razor. - eBay (item 220496604238 end time Oct-27-09 12:52:39 PDT)
Rudy
Hey Rudy,Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyG
That looks like the blade could be like my 74. However, the scales are different. Also, my tang was stamped with the 2 arrows crossed in the circle like Walt's and to the right of that there was another stamp with the "squiggly" mark to the right of the double arrows. Mine had no etching on the blade as mentioned. I already started playing with the dremel, and grinding away on the stamps. I haven't finished. Was just trying out the different attachments. Anyway, here are some pics of what my DA74 looks like post stamp removing. As you can see the scales were already cracked at the pivot pin. They had put in the washers before it went out the door. But it is tight in the scales. I will finish grinding, polishing, and doing the rest of the mods before giving this one to my friend that is carrying back my Norton's and Tony Miller strop from the States.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...e/DSC_0452.jpg
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Dear Sir,
Thank you for you inquirying our 100 razor product,for each one costs 12.5RMB
Best Regards,
Nancy Ye
Company:BINGBO GOLDOLLAR RAZOR&SCISSORS MANUFACTURE CO.,LTD
Website:www.gdl.cn
E-mail:[email protected]
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Tel:86-574-88858888 Fax:86-574-88858555
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According to the Google currency conversion they price out at 1.83USD each. That's 183.00 for 100 razors. The price is for the yellow handled Gold Dollar. They did not say if this included shipping but I will confirm. If someone could hone 3 of these for me that would be awesome. Let me know what you guys think O.K. I am new to this forum but ruprazor knows me and hopefully will vouch for me. I don't want to step on any toes or take away anyone's business especially ruprazor, this guy is freakin awesome for those of you who don't know him. But anyway this is what I have came up with so far. Senior members please give me feedback on what you think, I am open to constructive critisizim. I will stop this deal if anyone feels it will have a negative impact in any way. I just don't see giving 15.00USD for each one if we don't have to.
Thank You Quenton Guthrie
[email protected]
Shipping is about $100 extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy
If you want to become another distributor, then go right ahead, it's a free market economy.:)
After you recieve your box of GDs, you will soon notice how much work KenRup actually does put into each one to make it shave ready, and thus charges the price he does.
If you want to follow the Stamps222/Mr Parko business model, I think you will find that their prices are not unreasonable either, after factoring in the fuss and whatnot of handling orders, and dealing with shipping etc.
If you want to buy a shipment and sell them at the same $1.83 you purchased them for, then I'll be first in line as a customer of yours!:)
From what I recall the 200 models were like ~$5 or so each, and the 800 were like $17 or so.
I only glimpse through here, and was just wondering has anyone shaved with one of these things? Especially the one listed as Gool Dollar? I've been looking at them, but giving them the same thought as the Pakistan and Masters Razors...to avoid them.
Do these hold an edge well?
Just curious as I ordered one.
Thanks
Aaron
They can take a very nice edge. I had a shave with one yesterday, and it was really very smooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1971Wedge
Of the 20-30 of these that I have honed up so far, I have only had one that would not take an excellent shaving edge.
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
Quenton, after shipping, you are looking at $283. Not sure if you will have custom's tariffs and duties, but if so, the $1.83/unit is a bit moot. Probably closer to $3+/unit. Of those, you will have to rework more than a few, which has been shown in other posts. Problems include cracked scales, high shoulders, uncentered blades. If you are hoping to sell them cheaper than what the guys online are selling them for, it means best case scenario you are going to make around $400.
You mentioned $15 not going to waste. I think there was $5 in the shipping. That HK guy was selling them for 10bucks I believe. How long selling 100 razors will take is anyone's guess. I am thinking you are not going to be able to go thru 100 razors too quickly. Maybe some of the guys doing this as a side business could let you know how many they sell per month. For all the work, I think it is easier to make money elsewhere.
However, as Seraphim mentioned, if you are just helping the newbies out, then good on you. I don't think anyone would complain if we had more people interested in straight razors. More hones, strops, dvds, higher quality razors, soaps, etc would probably see sales increases with more customers out there. I am not in the business, but if you can help generate new interest by selling the razors for little to no profit, I've got nothing negative to say. Thanks for the post.
Are offering to organize a group buy? :beer1::cool: That sounds good. If the shipping does turn out to be $100. Then that would be $2.83 per blade. Next calculation would be the shipping cost within USA which appears to be around $4. To be safe it can be made to be $5. Plus packaging would be another $0.50 to a $1. So the total would be about $8 per blade. If buying one. It'll be cheaper to ship multiples, which is what most people will likely order. I'd like to try a pair of 200s and a pair of 800s once the 800s are actually manufactured.Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy
Rudy
Seraphim, perhaps I wasn't clear. I know exactly how much work kenrup puts into his razors and he stands behind them. I have tried to hone an old razor at one point and realize it is difficult, but not rocket science as some would claim. I was simply trying to help the members of this forum not a "business model" as you stated. Did you not see my title as "group buy"? In a previous thread it seemed many members were very interested in doing a group buy but could not get anyone from golddollar to respond, maybe things have changed but no contact was listed in that thread. I'm a new member but have been lurking for sometime. I said constructive critisizm not someone making me out to be a vendor or Mr. Parko. I have nothing but good intentions for everyone here including you. I love this forum and there are some great folks in it. And free market economy, if that were my goal (which it's not), is what sets America apart from the communists. Competition is what keeps prices fair after all, monopolies aren't good for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
I will keep everyone posted when I get confirmation on the shipping.
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Originally Posted by RudyG
The only issue with your calculations is that to carry the 200 model, one would have to purchase another lot of 100 of them, at say the $5/each price tag they come with. And same with the 800 model, which costs ~$17 each, which means an outlay of $1,700 per batch of 100 of those, plus $100 shipping.
If you look at your above calculations, the $8 you quote is actually quite similar to the $10 price currently available through Mr Parko, or Stamps222 (as long as it doesn't get bid up).
Excellent!Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy
:beer1:
I'm biased, but I do like the GDs/DAs
EDIT:
I don't think it was a matter of getting someone from GD to respond, as they do so quite readily, but rather someone to step up and take on the responsibility of buying and distributing 100 razors.
I am interested to get in a group buy, if one is to be organized.
I will do my best to make heads and tales of this, however the only model I'm interested in is the entry level as that is similar to the one I bought from ruprazor and it seems to be a good one. It tugs a little much at times but that may be because of my forest of a beard. I'm gonna send it back to ruprazor for a touch up. He stands behind his stuff and is a really cool guy. His entry level philly strop is awesome, can't wait to buy his top of the line model.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Back to the "hopeful" group buy, I will keep everyone updated. If any newbs are interested in a "ready to go" package I recommend ruprazor as your introduction to straight shaving as I know from experience it works.
Just in case anyone missed this, without going too OT, this is a great buy. It is where I started, and I still occasionally use that strop and razor for travel where I will not be able to limit who has access to my stuff (read...family that doesn't respect proprty of others)Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy
I love your "pardon me ma'am" quote!! Gun owners of the world unite! At least that's what it means to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokelaw1
I am fine with anything, I'll use them to continue my studies on razor honing and probably donate for the PIF's.Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy
Hey Seraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
Just to get this out of the way. I think Mr.Parko's and Stamps222's price is quite reasonable. And I still hope you can post what you feel are the differences between all these razors and why you like the 200 more than 100 and the DA 74.
However, the $8 you are talking about are for the 100 and excludes the shipping. The 200 Mr.Parko sells for over $20 when you figure in the shipping. Still very reasonable just not quite the same thing. No?
As for the initial outlay. I think a deposit can be requested from anyone interested in the razor. Say $4 per razor or something like that. That will tell the group buyer that the person is in fact interested, and the order can be placed based on the number of deposits. What do you think?
The biggest issue will be how to deal with the overrun. Say if 211 razors are wanted, only 200 can be ordered. So 11 orders will no tbe fulfilled and the deposits will have to be refunded. Otherwise ordering 300 will leave the group buyer with 89 extra razors. :eek:
Rudy
I don't think you will have a problem with overruns. Generally, the manufacturers here are only concerned with minimums. You could order 101 and it would still be ok. I don't think there is a machine stamping out 100 at one time, so it shouldn't be an issue. Maybe I am wrong, but in 6 years of sourcing, the only time I have found that to be a problem is when dealing with bolts of fabrics because of yarn and such being in standard lengths. Pens, magnets, patches, hats, socks, clothes etc are no problem as long as you meet the minimums.Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyG
Perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shangers
But I can tell you they come in one big box with ten little boxes inside each containing 10 razors. To get an odd number, they'd have to bust open the box of 100. Anyhow, I think a quantity of 100 would probably be sufficient.
Rudy, if you are going to go for the group buy, my hat is off to you. You're a better man than I, Gunga-din!:)
This is what I think of the 200
And here are a couple pics of the 300.
I don't actually have a 100.
You could be right. I am not sure, but I would imagine that it is not too difficult to get different size cardboard boxes. I can't imagine them turning down an extra 20 or so razors, because someone wanted 116 vs increasing the order to 200, or just ordering the minimum. Given the fact that they could sell 100 or 120 (ten razors per small box), I would think they would go for the extra quantity, but again, I have never attempted to order from them, so I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
I think you have me confused with gdaddy who is doing the actual group buy. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
I know, I know all of us noobs look the same. :)
I'm still curious what exactly are the differences between all of these models. Mr.Parko is selling 5 models and 4 of them have the same price. :confused: And the razor Stamps is selling is only a dollar more. Me-no-understand. :)
Rudy
I'd be curious to hone some. I want to see what these are like out of the box, what it's like to hone them, and what they shave like.Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy
It is unclear to me if there will be a group by, who is organizing, and whether or not group buys are permitted by forum rules, but if anyone has an unhoned GD or two, please get in touch with me.
Hi holli4pirating, I'm in the preliminary stages of pricing, availability, shipping and any applicable fees. If feasible I might just buy them upfront myself and distribute at cost and small domestic handling fee for boxes tape etc. It is in the very preliminary stages. When it gets closer to the done deal stage I will seek input from senior members and moderators in how to fairly distribute and so forth. As of right now we are still in communication with the manufacturer. They are a lot of work to get shave ready according to the grind marks on mine, but it is quality metal that will take an edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by holli4pirating
If felt it might be more appropriate for us to discuss via PM, so I've sent you one.Quote:
Originally Posted by qdaddy