Modified Gold Dollar

I would like to get in on the group buy as well.

Thanks miner, I will update as soon as I know more. I have to order a minimum of 100 and so far about PM inquiries are at about 50 so I think enough members are interested to make it work if shipping is do-able.

I'm interested in the group buy

Which one are we talking about? The stainless? I'm in, I just want to know what I'm in for...

Unfortunately not the stainless one, the entry level yellow handled gold dollar. I have been told it's the same razor as the double arrow, which I love. I hope to have all the details in a day or two, I'm waiting on shipping costs and any additional fees. Most guys that have PM'd me are established members that cant wait to get a Dremel a hold of them to make spike point, notched and anything else you can think of. I so hope this works out so I can see what some of the incredibly talented folks here do with them. I will promise you all I will try my hardest and will be as fair as humanly possible when and if the time comes to distribute. I so hope I don't let ya'll down.

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Unfortunately not the stainless one, the entry level yellow handled gold dollar. I have been told it's the same razor as the double arrow, which I love. I hope to have all the details in a day or two, I'm waiting on shipping costs and any additional fees. Most guys that have PM'd me are established members that cant wait to get a Dremel a hold of them to make spike point, notched and anything else you can think of. I so hope this works out so I can see what some of the incredibly talented folks here do with them. I will promise you all I will try my hardest and will be as fair as humanly possible when and if the time comes to distribute. I so hope I don't let ya'll down.

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They are listed by their model numbers on the manufacturer's site. So you can simply use that when referring to which model you are planning to order. I had thought all along that you are ordering a Model 200 which Seraphim recommended. However, I'm willing to go along with the model you are after since you are volunteering.

The stainless model, which is Model 800, has not yet been manufactured, according to the response I got from the manufacturer. So it cannot yet be ordered. Guess it'll have to be another group buy.

Rudy

Wait, like a DA? OK....fair enough.

I'm very tempted to opt into this, but not knowing if I have a job or not yet, I'll have to be responsible and sit on it. I'd love a 200 and 800, but they'll just have to go on my wishlist for now until I know just how broke I'll be over the summer and next year.

I'm in as well.

I could be interesting by a GD as well, but since i'm in europe, transatlantic shipping is likely to kill the economic rationale :(

I'd be interested, but I already have a Double Arrow, so I'd only want in if it was the stainless 800.

I think I've already said this, but I'm in! I keep coming back to this thread.

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Originally Posted by aragornelessar86

I'd be interested, but I already have a Double Arrow, so I'd only want in if it was the stainless 800.

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As I mentioned, just a few posts above, :) ;) Stainless 800 hasn't been manufactured yet, therefore it cannot be ordered. In fact they will not even give its price or date of manufacture.

Rudy

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Originally Posted by Raminagrobis

I could be interesting by a GD as well, but since i'm in europe, transatlantic shipping is likely to kill the economic rationale :(

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Maybe not, keep an eye on this thread and If I can get it done, we will talk about it then. We have a worldwide box that is reasonable.

Nothing new yet ladies and gents, It seems there is a small language barrier to overcome? Anybody fluent in "Gold Dollar-eze"?

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Originally Posted by RudyG

As I mentioned, just a few posts above, :) ;) Stainless 800 hasn't been manufactured yet, therefore it cannot be ordered. In fact they will not even give its price or date of manufacture.

Rudy

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Thanks Rudy, anything you can share with us on these is awesome.

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Originally Posted by qdaddy

Nothing new yet ladies and gents, It seems there is a small language barrier to overcome? Anybody fluent in "Gold Dollar-eze"?

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Well, you can post it here and maybe we can go at it and see if we can decipher it. I sent an email asking about the Model 200. Here's what I got:

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Hi Rudy,

I'm glad to receive your e-mail.
1.the model 200 cost 37 RMB for each one
2. at least order 100units (package:one small box including 10 units,each carton have 100 units)
3.length:15cm width:2cm height:0.5cm
4.the shipping cost about 350RMB

Best Regards,
Nancy Ye

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So it looks like the shipping is around $50 per carton of 100 razors. If I did my conversion correctly. Also Seraphim was right on the dot when he said the Model 200 was about $5 per blade.
He also mentioned that the Model 800 will be $18 per blade whenever it comes out. So he must have nagged them until they surrendered the price. :):D Although he was a bit off on the shipping.

You know what gdaddy, it looks more and more like the other models will come out to about an $8 - $10 per unit price with the group buy. And of course Mr.Parko sells them for about $12 shipped. So unless we do a group buy for Model 200 this is probably not going to be worth it.
But let's see what answers you get. Also you still haven't mentioned which exact model you were hoping to order.
Here's a link that was posted earlier in this thread to the manufacturer's website that lists all available models:
electric hair clippers,hair scissors,tailor scissors,household scissors manufacturer in China

Rudy

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Haven't been to Mr. Parko's site, but Gold Monkey is JinHou (Jin=Gold, Hou= short for Houzi= Monkey)... I have seen the Gold Monkeys online, but their numbering system isn't like GD or DA. The GM number I saw was 666. If you're superstitious, maybe not for you. Price was about $2.50- 3.00 retail.

There is another brand, that I have seen called Chaoba. They look better than the others, but that doesn't mean much. I have seen square points and round points in that model and the blade is a heavier than the DAs and GDs. As I said though, that point may be moot.

Here's a Chaoba I saw selling for about $15USD. Scales seemed nicer than the DA 74 that I bought, but I was going for the cheap, tried and tested blade, so I didn't buy it to test it. Also, the DA scales are abysmal, so it isn't saying much. Though, I have yet to see the DA/GD 200.

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...age/chaoba.jpg

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As an interesting side note: the number 6 is considered lucky to the Chinese (that I've talked with when I studied Mandarin in college). In fact, my phone number in college was 666-XXXX and my prof kept going on and on about how lucky that number was...

Also, I'd be totally in for the group buy (maybe multiple razors too), and my vote would be for the 800 stainless model.

Also, you may want to discuss this with the mod team just to make sure that everything is cool with them.

*subscribes*

If you're doing the 200 I'll take 2. When the 800s come out we should do another buy and I'll be in for another 2.

the ones i want most are the 200 300 & 800

Boy are you guys going to be surprised when you figure this all out. I'll be reordering from Gold Dollar in the near future. If there are enough guys wanting to do a group buy thing. I could tack this on to my order. I'm also going to be ordering a couple additional models in an addition to the normal entry level razors. Newbies need to be aware of what work these razors need when they show up. Gold Dollar says they are ready to use. They obviously don't use them. When I prep these for sale the heels of the razors typically extends below the edge and requires grinding to bring it line with the edge. I usually have to grind down the excess on the pins and then peen them. I take the sharp edges of the back of the scales. I make sure the blade closes properly. If it doesn't I'll make the adjustments so that they do. They ones I reject for scale reasons I'll rescale the blade. Sometimes the blades are not acceptable, I just write them off. The Gold Dollar is a good razor, just not ready to use of the boat. It is still the best quality entry for the price I can find.
I'm not afraid of competition. :mace: Thanks to my loyal customers, I have plenty of business not only in start-up sets but in strops, honing and in restorations.

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Originally Posted by Kenrup

Boy are you guys going to be surprised when you figure this all out. I'll be reordering from Gold Dollar in the near future. If there are enough guys wanting to do a group buy thing. I could tack this on to my order. I'm also going to be ordering a couple additional models in an addition to the normal entry level razors. Newbies need to be aware of what work these razors need when they show up. Gold Dollar says they are ready to use. They obviously don't use them. When I prep these for sale the heels of the razors typically extends below the edge and requires grinding to bring it line with the edge. I usually have to grind down the excess on the pins and then peen them. I take the sharp edges of the back of the scales. I make sure the blade closes properly. If it doesn't I'll make the adjustments so that they do. They ones I reject for scale reasons I'll rescale the blade. Sometimes the blades are not acceptable, I just write them off. The Gold Dollar is a good razor, just not ready to use of the boat. It is still the best quality entry for the price I can find.
I'm not afraid of competition. :mace: Thanks to my loyal customers, I have plenty of business not only in start-up sets but in strops, honing and in restorations.

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I really think ading the 200 model to your lineup would be a great addition. The quality level is a few notches higher than the model 74.
The 800, also is a much higher quality model, and is stainless, but not everybody is a stainless fan.... The price on that one is also significantly higher.

Here's a shot of a set of three random GDs to show what Ken is describing with the heels. The one on the bottom doesn't look too bad, the top one has a bit of heel overshoot, and the middle one has a bit of a wavy edge.
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachm...1&d=1256244637
Nothing that is un-fixable with some time and effort. But certainly don't think you will necessarily just be able to hone them up and go (on some of them you can, on some, it takes a fair bit of work).

And of course, I I can attest to, if you do like to mess around with them, they are perfect for doing so!:)

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Shipping is about $100 extra.

If you want to become another distributor, then go right ahead, it's a free market economy.:)

After you recieve your box of GDs, you will soon notice how much work KenRup actually does put into each one to make it shave ready, and thus charges the price he does.

If you want to follow the Stamps222/Mr Parko business model, I think you will find that their prices are not unreasonable either, after factoring in the fuss and whatnot of handling orders, and dealing with shipping etc.

If you want to buy a shipment and sell them at the same $1.83 you purchased them for, then I'll be first in line as a customer of yours!:)

From what I recall the 200 models were like ~$5 or so each, and the 800 were like $17 or so.

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Ditto! If you end up getting a shipment of them, I'd be glad to take one as well. Not sure which model that's a quote for tho.

It's a stark reality that many precision tools made in China are less than precise. So, Gold Dollar razors needing tweaking is sadly almost to be expected.

I have interest in small mini metal lathes. The Chinese 7"x10", 7"x12" and 7"x14" lathes have cult followings and large Yahoo groups of those who own them. They readily acknowledge that those types of lathes, brand new are NOT ready to go out of the box and are at times even unworkable. They tell prospective buyers to view these brand new Chinese lathes (that anyone should rightly assume are ready to use for precise work) as KITS. Depending on how you view it, it's either crazy that numerous modifications and fixes need to be done to a new piece of machinery before using it fully for its intended purpose or a fun project in and of itself to get it to work before using it.

Putting myself in the shoes of a Chinese worker who maybe has the choice between working in a factory or having his organs harvested for resale while he's still alive, I could see where doing what's considered passable or acceptable rather than outstanding would be a passive way of giving the oppressive government the proverbial finger?:shrug:

Sorry for the tangent.

Chris L

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

I really think ading the 200 model to your lineup would be a great addition. The quality level is a few notches higher than the model 74.
The 800, also is a much higher quality model, and is stainless, but not everybody is a stainless fan.... The price on that one is also significantly higher.

Here's a shot of a set of three random GDs to show what Ken is describing with the heels. The one on the bottom doesn't look too bad, the top one has a bit of heel overshoot, and the middle one has a bit of a wavy edge.
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachm...1&d=1256244637
Nothing that is un-fixable with some time and effort. But certainly don't think you will necessarily just be able to hone them up and go (on some of them you can, on some, it takes a fair bit of work).

And of course, I I can attest to, if you do like to mess around with them, they are perfect for doing so!:)

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I agree! the 200 line are what I would love to get as well.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

The 800, also is a much higher quality model, and is stainless, but not everybody is a stainless fan.... The price on that one is also significantly higher.

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Seraphim do you already have an 800 in your possession? Or are basing the above on the info you got from Gold Dollar? So far we know that the steel for the 800 is 440 and will be imported from Japan. You also mentioned that they will run about $18 from the manufacturer. Anything else you know and haven't mentioned?

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Originally Posted by Kenrup

Boy are you guys going to be surprised when you figure this all out. I'll be reordering from Gold Dollar in the near future. If there are enough guys wanting to do a group buy thing. I could tack this on to my order. I'm also going to be ordering a couple additional models in an addition to the normal entry level razors.

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Ken good thing you chimed in. Especially for us noobs in the forum. I have some questions for you.
1. Which models are you going to have?
2. How much will they be if you sell them right off the boat? Without even opening the package that a given razor came in.

The thing is I keep a Kosher home. And my stones will be used to sharpen my kitchen knives as well as my razors. So I prefer that no other stone touches my razor except my own.
Also, I think many people want blades to practice on.

Rudy

I'm interested in these things for several reasons. First and foremost I don't want to use my nice vintage razors to practice honing and scale replacement. Secondly, you can never have too many razors, and third (ly?), and this is specific to the 800 series, I want a couple stainless blades to see what all the fuss is about.

what is the price dude?

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Seraphim do you already have an 800 in your possession? Or are basing the above on the info you got from Gold Dollar? So far we know that the steel for the 800 is 440 and will be imported from Japan. You also mentioned that they will run about $18 from the manufacturer. Anything else you know and haven't mentioned?

Rudy

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Yes, I have two Model 800s, and that is what I took a picture of earlier in the thread. I haven't honed one up yet, as I'm making some mods to it first (I know, I know....shocking, isn't it?:w).

As said previously, the issue with the 800 is that to do a group buy for those, someone is going to have to pont up $18-1900 bucks for a shipment of 100, which is significantly more than the ~$300 for a shipment of 74's, or ~$600 for a shipment of 200's.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Yes, I have two Model 800s, and that is what I took a picture of earlier in the thread. I haven't honed one up yet, as I'm making some mods to it first (I know, I know....shocking, isn't it?:w).

As said previously, the issue with the 800 is that to do a group buy for those, someone is going to have to pont up $18-1900 bucks for a shipment of 100, which is significantly more than the ~$300 for a shipment of 74's, or ~$600 for a shipment of 200's.

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Thanks for the reply. This is interesting considering Nancy clearly told me in the email that the 800s have not been manufactured yet and therefore are not available. So was I misinformed? Or did I misunderstand what she said? I sent her some follow up questions. Let's see what Ken and gdaddy come back with.
May I ask where you purchased your 800s and how much they were?

Rudy

P.S. I still think the large cash outlay of the group buyer can be handled by requiring a deposit. Considering how flaky people can be, this will insure that only those interested enough to lay out some cash are considered in the quantity ordered. So that the group buyer does not end up with a lot of left over stock. There seems to be a lot of interest in Model 200 and 800 not least due to them being your recommendations. However, to this moment I have no idea what the differences are between all the models (108, 208, 200, 300, 800). Does anyone know?

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Originally Posted by RudyG

Thanks for the reply. This is interesting considering Nancy clearly told me in the email that the 800s have not been manufactured yet and therefore are not available. So was I misinformed? Or did I misunderstand what she said? I sent her some follow up questions. Let's see what Ken and gdaddy come back with.
May I ask where you purchased your 800s and how much they were?

Rudy

P.S. I still think the large cash outlay of the group buyer can be handled by requiring a deposit. Considering how flaky people can be, this will insure that only those interested enough to lay out some cash are considered in the quantity ordered. So that the group buyer does not end up with a lot of left over stock. There seems to be a lot of interest in Model 200 and 800 not least due to them being your recommendations. However, to this moment I have no idea what the differences are between all the models (108, 208, 200, 300, 800). Does anyone know?

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Perhaps I recieved the last two available (limited edition!). I had requested more, but I was told that they weren't able to get them for me, so I was shipped a couple 200's and 300's instead. I guess they are all out at the moment. They'll have to fire up the factory and pump some out.

Look closely at the pictures of the razor models. Mostly it is a matter of cosmetic differences (etch, no etch, double ground, or single ground, plain scales, "fancy" scales, etc.)

Gold Monkey!?

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Gold Monkey!?

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How about Brass?

YouTube - Brass Monkey... That Funky Monkey

I see the problem with the blades but if you remember I had a new Boker with a similar problem to the top GD near the tip. The Boker took carefull honing but was a lot easier to fix than I thought. I have not worked many new razors but I do think these problems are fairly common.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

I really think ading the 200 model to your lineup would be a great addition. The quality level is a few notches higher than the model 74.
The 800, also is a much higher quality model, and is stainless, but not everybody is a stainless fan.... The price on that one is also significantly higher.

Here's a shot of a set of three random GDs to show what Ken is describing with the heels. The one on the bottom doesn't look too bad, the top one has a bit of heel overshoot, and the middle one has a bit of a wavy edge.
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachm...1&d=1256244637
Nothing that is un-fixable with some time and effort. But certainly don't think you will necessarily just be able to hone them up and go (on some of them you can, on some, it takes a fair bit of work).

And of course, I I can attest to, if you do like to mess around with them, they are perfect for doing so!:)

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3 requests sent to them for shipping, form of payment and order details with no response from them. I apologize, but this may not materialize. If anything changes I will post it.

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3 requests sent to them for shipping, form of payment and order details with no response from them. I apologize, but this may not materialize. If anything changes I will post it.

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I too have sent them an email about three days ago, that has not been replied to. So perhaps Nancy is away, or there's a holiday of some sort. Being a communist country has its affects. :banghead::rolleyes: Having lived the first 16 years of my life in one, I'm keenly aware of them. I wouldn't worry about it too much. She'll be back.

Rudy

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Originally Posted by qdaddy

3 requests sent to them for shipping, form of payment and order details with no response from them. I apologize, but this may not materialize. If anything changes I will post it.

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Well, I can answer those questions for you.

Shipping for a box of 100 razors: $95

Form of payment: Bank wire transfer.

Order details: work it out with your GD representative:)

I think kenrup might be on to something by tacking it on to his next order. If hes willing to sell them right off the boat with a fair markup for his effort spent in achieving a working relationship with Nancy, that would be awesome. On top of that he's trustworthy, honest and knows the business. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Well, I can answer those questions for you.

Shipping for a box of 100 razors: $95

Form of payment: Bank wire transfer.

Order details: work it out with your GD representative:)

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Interesting as I got a quote of $50 for the shipping, as I posted above. Maybe I miscalculated, or misconverted? Here's her quote:

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4.the shipping cost about 350RMB

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I think kenrup might be on to something by tacking it on to his next order. If hes willing to sell them right off the boat with a fair markup for his effort spent in achieving a working relationship with Nancy, that would be awesome. On top of that he's trustworthy, honest and knows the business. Just a thought.

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That does sound fantastic, if he indeed does go for it.

Rudy

I thought 95.00 for shipping was high too, but I'm no expert in ordering razors either. I'm a newb to straight razors but not business, just international business. It's kind of funny how some of the senior guys think because you may not know razors as well as they do that you somehow just can't be intelligent. I've received support for attempting to head a group buy however I've had some resistance too. I am wondering why this is (resistance)? I thought everyone here was all about supporting each other and to renew interest in this hobby.