Thread: Has anybody heard anything more about Hart razors?

Originally Posted by ChrisL

II don't know if you're counting full fledged official reviews or just positive comments from people who own one and have shaved with them, but I thought there were now 3-4 in favor of the Hart razor and one against?

I guess you're right Chris. I couldn't remember exactly and I wasn't going back into the thread to refresh my memory. For awhile it seemed like.......

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I guess you're right Chris. I couldn't remember exactly and I wasn't going back into the thread to refresh my memory. For awhile it seemed like.......

That is a geat picture.

Charlie

I have no Hart razor, so I can't speak neither in favor or against them. But it amazes me to see how a new American made product, that at least deserves a fair chance, is being discredited by people that haven't used it and show great talent for presenting very dubious arguments against the Hart razor as being trued facts.

Tim Zowada makes custom knives. I find it quite normal that he chooses not to mix that with this new brand that makes confection razors under his supervision. To present that as proof for a lack of quality is simply unfair.

Tim Zowada knows how to make a fine razor, and based on his post here on SRP about the production process, he shared all of that knowledge for the benefit of the Hart razor. Of course the Hart razor will have to do without the fancy cosmetics of real Zowada, that adds art to the craft, but I don't expect any performance difference that can be objectively assessed.

The speculations about the bevel angle is nonsense. If the manufacturer states that the razor needs to be honed with tape, than that's that. Anyone who can hone without tape can also hone with tape. One could just as easily argue that it's a streak of genius to produce a razor with a slightly lower angle. It allows the owner to fully customize the edge to his own liking, by adding 0, 1 or 2 layers of tape. I might even be tempted to buy a Hart for that reason alone.

I was expecting the straight shaving community to embrace this fine initiative. I surprises me that it is met with so much misgiving.

Or am I missing something here?

Bart.

Originally Posted by Bart

Or am I missing something here?

Sorry, but I think so. I know

Seriously... saying a product is priced high for the features is not negativity about the company, the product, or the initiative shown. Saying that you shouldn't have to tape a spine to hone it anything but nonsense. If someone didn't know this information, they may never get a proper edge on it. That would be much more damaging to the long term prospects of the initiative than having these discussions.

I fail to understand why we should support an American product that we may feel is overpriced (based on features). I don't buy American cars that don't represent a good value. So, why should I buy a razor that doesn't IMO? I don't like the idea of preventing the free flow of products into the US either because I don't like the idea of paying a higher price because something was made/grown in the US. Notice that no one is saying that it isn't good.

I know where you guys are coming from when you say that if you don't own one you can't say anything about the value of it, but that's illogical. If they charged $10,000 for it, would you still make the argument? Obviously, that's an absurd example, but it illustrates the point. You can make a value judgment on something you don't own. You do it all of the time when making purchases in every facet of life. Does this make sense? If not, there's no reason for either side to continue to discuss this. It's silly for you guys to say the same thing repeatedly only to have us retort the same tired stuff that we've already said repeatedly.

The point is, when you start talking that kind of money, why not just get a razor that's got a lot of bling to it? If you want to support it, great. Get after it. However, at the end of the day, you've got a Camry for the price of a Lexus GS 350. It's nice, it's well made, it's plain and functional... It's just overpriced. I'm done making that point.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

It's just overpriced. I'm done making that point.

Your entitled to your opinion. There are a lot of items that are not worth it to me that are worth it to someone else.

I would never pay a hundred dollars for a pair of jeans with a designer label but I don't go on forums saying that they are no good or not worth the money when # 1 I haven't bought them and had to pay the price and # 2 I've never hands on tried them.

These designer jeans are apparently worth the money to someone as people keep buying them. The same with the Hart razor. Of those who have bought them it seems that more are satisfied with their purchase than not.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Your entitled to your opinion. There are a lot of items that are not worth it to me that are worth it to someone else.

I would never pay a hundred dollars for a pair of jeans with a designer label but I don't go on forums saying that they are no good or not worth the money when # 1 I haven't bought them and had to pay the price and # 2 I've never hands on tried them.

These designer jeans are apparently worth the money to someone as people keep buying them. The same with the Hart razor. Of those who have bought them it seems that more are satisfied with their purchase than not.

How many jeans forums do you frequent? Other than that question, I have no idea how you can't see the point.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

How many jeans forums do you frequent? Other than that question, I have no idea how you can't see the point.

Well I don't frequent jeans forums nor have I considered a Lexus GS 350. I will be buying a Hart razor if and when biz picks up in my neck of the woods though.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Well I don't frequent jeans forums nor have I considered a Lexus GS 350. I will be buying a Hart razor if and when biz picks up in my neck of the woods though.

Good deal. I hope you love it. However, if you determine that you want to pay the price of a Lexus GS 350 in the future, I really hope you actually get the car with all the bells and whistles... It's a great car

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Of those who have bought them it seems that more are satisfied with their purchase than not.

That's a pretty low standard.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

These designer jeans are apparently worth the money to someone as people keep buying them. The same with the Hart razor. Of those who have bought them it seems that more are satisfied with their purchase than not.

Designer jeans command a high price because they are fashionable. You pay for the design. Carhardt and other working pants, you pay a little extra for the toughness (my Carhardt Carpenter's are still going strong after a year... working in auto shops, back rooms, on the farm, around the yard...).

So one could argue this commands a high price for what? Where are the snakewood scales? The gold wash? So no fashion.... so the high price has to come from the shave. Oh wait. I can get a great shave off of a $70 Dovo Best...