Vintage WW2 German Straight Razor Max Dorner - eBay (item 140366089466 end time Dec-15-09 18:30:36 PST)
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I'm not sure. But something not good with this razor. The blade and the handle from different makers. Blade was made by Dörner, handle was made by Weyersberg.
And the picture of Hitler looks modern.
I noticed that too. But I was still shocked out of my boots to see that!
i would bet that's a hoax~~~
most likely
The razor is a fraud . The reason is that the words on the tang are in English . Why would a razor made for the German market have the tang stamped in English ? I don't think there would have been much of a market for straight razors with Hitler on the scales in English speaking countries during WW2 .
However, just BEFORE WWII, it would have gone over gangbusters.
Maybe it belonged to Henry Ford...
Although the whole thing does seem a bit fishy to me I don't think English words on the blade would be the ultimate proof that it is fake.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe I read there was a time before the Nazi party was in power and before WW2 when the Nazi party was trying to gain favor they would hold conferences and such trying to build their numbers. I think I've read they even organized conferences and rallies here in America at the time.
Granted, the idea that a razor would have been made for an english speaking audience for this particular short time in history seems unlikely, yet if I am correct in what I have said above, the english would not entirely disprove the authenticity.
**Disclaimer**
No I am not a Nazi nor do I have any interest or much knowledge in the Nazi party (then or now). I just happen to remember very random things that I read.
You guys have made a good point , and I will stand corrected . I will admit it's possible , but not probable . However , I still think the razor is a fraud .
Maybe this was a "German American Bundt" razor, pre WW2, but I think it is just another Frankenstein.
Guaranteed to put a Blitzkreig on your beard :D
Not so good for the coupe de maitre...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._retouched.jpg
Dude it cracks me up how on the scales, Hitler is just standing there with his hands folded and his name written all fancy under it. Wouldn't a portrait be more appropriate for this purpose? And probably just his last name instead of the full name. And a more serious font. Sorry but I think those scales just look goofy anyways. It's almost like a cartoon. Even if it is from the era, which I don't think it is, it looks ridiculous with those scales. Just my two cents.
Thanks for sharing though. Pretty interesting.
take a look at the actual photo I posted above, and the image from the scales. Holding his hands exactly like that.
http://i.ebayimg.com/12/!BhEeDNwBmk~...Iy5cg~~_35.JPG
Did you guys notice it looks like a swastika under the guy's thumb?
There is one of those at the Antique mall that I frequent in my area except the scales are ivory colored. It's locked in a case and have never looked at the blade.
I'll have to check it out next time I'm there.
Whats next? after shave in little imitation Zyklon B canisters?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/95/23...6a3182c3_o.jpg
The perfect Gift (gas)...
Zyklon B "atomizer"!
Seriously, I'd be ashamed to be in possession of that thing... fake or not!
Just wish that ****bag wouldn't still be so fascinating.
There are alot of Nazi stuff on Eboy and they have a big following with some people. That's just the way it is. Its a collectible.
Hitler and the wrighting does not look like an inlay!
If the swastika was visible ebay would end the auction. I wouldn't own the thing personally whether bona fide or fraudulent. Guy comes into the tattoo shop with his girl friend and tells me he wants a swastika tattooed. I tell him I won't do swastikas. Why he asks. Because my father and my uncle used to kill people who wore swastikas I reply. He and his girlfriend's eyes got big and they left the shop. No BS.
It's too bad that such a historically good symbol was ruined the way it was during WWII. Heck, it was even on the Finnish Air Force Flag until about 1950. It even predates the Ankh...now that's old!
Link for those of you interested Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I totally agree, cool looking symbol tarnished cause one group decided to use it.
Historically many groups have taken symbols and even holidays from other groups for many reasons. Most of the Christian holidays (as I understand it) coincidentally land on dates that were once pagan holidays as a way to make fun, water down, or over take the pagans' date.
I wish the Jews would do the same with the swastika, take the symbol as their own and make it mean something completely different. How funny would that be for all those racists with swastika tattoos, if it suddenly became a Jewish symbol.
Then we can take back porchmonkey too!
Ladies and Gentlemen, each time when there is a razor with a swastika you pass to political themes. We discuss only razors. All known German makers before war made razors and knives for army which was at war with all Europe.
Let's discuss the razor, instead of picture on the handle.
You are absolutely right! this is NOT a political issue. It's just really, REALLY, in bad taste.
So, lets discuss the razor shall we? Is it just a regular razor? no! It,s a collectible razor. Why is it collectible? because it has a very unique feature - the scales! Why are the scales unique? Is it the material? no - it's the emblematic nature of the scales. It's the message they convey. Is it a "Real" article? i.e. was it actually used "back in the day"? hmmmm...perhaps. perhaps it was even used to prep some of Dr. Josef Mengele's "patients" - that would make it even more collectible don't you think?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ef-mengele.jpg
Robert Klaas used swastika on his knives since 1907.
The reverse swastika is a reocurring theme in American Indian Art and Lore. If you go to the old Federal Courthouse in Albuquerque the main courtroom is decorated with Indian themes and there are too many swastika's to count. As a matter of fact right behind where the Judges bench is you will see a large eagle with a huge reverse swastika. Some people are really shocked by that.
I bet they don't have a depiction of Adolf Hitler next to the eagle though - right?
:OTSome symbols have bad vibes for some people. A Jewish friend of mine had a large collection of Lugers. I was always fascinated with them and I bought a 1938 P08 from him. A mauser with the Wehrmacht eagle over swastika hallmark stamped on it. I kept it a couple of days and returned it. For me it had bad vibes. I thought about all of the people that might have been murdered with that gun and I wasn't comfortable keeping it.
I asked my friend how, he being Jewish, could stomach having all of this nazi stuff and he said it was better that 'we' had it than that they did. So it didn't bother him but it did bother me. You may not share those feelings but to me regardless of the item if it is nazi it comes with baggage that I don't want to carry. I wouldn't take that razor if someone wanted to give it to me. YMMV.
As far as the authenticity of the razor, it seems clear that the razor handle and blade appear to be from different vendors, and the bugle on the front side of the blade appears old and faded while the imagery on the reverse seems crisp and new.
Granted, even with this information it would probably take a historian to tell you if it is authentic since there are too many factors and not enough information involved.
As far as owning the blade, if I found out that Max Dorner made amazing blades I would consider picking one up, but if I ever came to possess a razor with this imagery on it. The first thing I'd do is cut off the scales and throw em in the trash.