Thread: J. Beal & Sons identification help please

I've been looking everywhere for information about a blade I'm polishing, and can find no information on it. It's labeled J. Beal & Sons, Endure, Sheffield.

Has anyone heard of this maker? It's not on the Wik list, nor is it listed on the page that everyone seems to link to. I've Googled, and other than some references to a few knives, I can find nothing.

Here are the pictures. The first one is in the condition I found it, and the others are after I've polished it up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

did you see this one in the SOTD by MisterA? Looking closely, you can see a J Beal & Sons etching or engraving on the face of the blade even though the razor is marked J. Shaw & Sons on the tang



In a quick online search, I saw a couple of references to razors marked John Shaw & Sons, Sheffield, but nothing else on Beal razors

c. 1871-1953
First known as Josh Beal & Sons in 1871. J & J Beal Ltd. was the successor to that firm in 1923. They renewed all their trademarks in 1944.

Joseph Ernest Beal & Arnold James Beal were the owners. In the 1800's the firm was at 8 Silver Street, Sheffield. In 1953, they were in the Red Hill Works, Corporation Street, Sheffield. This company Manufactured "Bowie" type knives, among other kinds of cutlery.

Goins shows eight trademarks, but none exactly like yours. The word "endure" is on the ones dating 1871-1876, so I would be willing to guess that yours is in that age range. Nice razor my friend! Hope it shaves as well as it looks.

Scott

I have this 5/8 full wedge which I didnt manage to sell a couple of months ago in the classifieds. I have the original ivory scales too!

Anyway, Ill polish her up someday myself. It has "J &J BEAL" and "ENDURE, SHEFFIELD" on the tang as you can see. Maybe a later version of the company?
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In my Goins Encyclopedia it only showed trademarks showing the Endure part of the logo on the razors in the 1871-1876 range. There is also some sort of trade pact that after a certain date (I forget though, sorry) the country of mfg has to be on the razor or anything exported period.

Originally Posted by shooter74743

c. 1871-1953
First known as Josh Beal & Sons in 1871. J & J Beal Ltd. was the successor to that firm in 1923.

The word "endure" is on the ones dating 1871-1876

Shooter, thanks for the info on the firm. However, these are contradictory as my razor has both ''J and J Beal" and "Endure" yet the literature states that the two marks did not coexist...

I don't know what to tell you, but the two marks do co-exist per page 19 of my Goins encyclopedia. What literature are you reading? My observation of: "Goins shows eight trademarks, but none exactly like yours. The word "endure" is on the ones dating 1871-1876, so I would be willing to guess that yours is in that age range". My observation of looking at the eight trademarks & observing:
1. Jodeph Beal & sons, over a hog head, over Endure, over Sheffield
2. Hog head
3. Hog head over Endure to the left of JOS Beal & Sons over V (Crown) R, over Sheffield
4. (photo of kettle supported by tepee style sticks) to the left of JOS Beal & Sons over V (Crown) R, over Sheffield
5. (Picture of horse) over Endure
6. (picture of indian, above mentioned kettle, indian) over Endure
7. Simply the word "ENDURE"
8. (picture of whistle) over the word "SOUND"

So, I repeat: Goins shows eight trademarks, but none exactly like yours. The word "endure" is on the ones dating 1871-1876, so I would be willing to guess that yours is in that age range. Nice razor my friend! Hope it shaves as well as it looks.

Shooter - you wrote the following:

First known as Josh Beal & Sons in 1871. J & J Beal Ltd. was the successor to that firm in 1923.

The word "endure" is on the ones dating 1871-1876.

If it has ''ENDURE'' it must be from 1871-1876, right? But J&JBEAL was the successor in 1923.

So...how can my razor have both the J&J BEAL and ENDURE?

Thanks everyone! 1871-1876 appeals to my sense of history, and adds to my appreciation of the project.

It's nice to know that in my travels I've been able to find a truly antique razor. Now if I can only figure out to pin scales properly I'll be golden.

m

So. J.Beal & Sons - 1871-1901
J & J Beal Ltd. - 1871-1953.
The owners were Joseph Ernest Beal and Arnold James Beal.
These are the same company.