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Thread: Engleswerk find
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10-21-2010, 09:46 PM #11
I dont think you over paid. Those scales, wether original or not are fantastic.
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10-21-2010, 10:12 PM #12
You got a good deal, those are the original scales as you can see from my razor like yours. There is a story that goes with the scales something about a patron saint of hunting in Germany I have it somewhere
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10-21-2010, 10:23 PM #13
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Not bad for a newbie's first pick huh? The odd thing is that I live in a really small town in Arkansas where you really don't see stuff like this a lot as opposed to a big city where these might be more common.
At first, I paid the most attention to the blade than anything else, but I was just sitting here looking at the scales, and it seems like one side is almost totally intertwined. For instance, it starts at the bottom with the powder horn, tied to the wreath by ropes. THe wreath in the cattleskull. Coming out of the skull is the cross with rays of light, and above it, a rifle and crossbow crossing and above that a shield with spears and other things that go into a leafy motif.
Almost everything from the ground up I imagined must have had some kind of symbolism, at first my instinct was perhaps masonic in origin.
Then on the back there are two men on horses and two dogs persuing a deer.
What I am really interested in is what the number 57 means on the blade, the engravers notch on the monkeytail, also the material of the scales and most importantly, if the blade looks like its in good condition.
So 75 is a good price then? I sure hope so because times like these, we don't always have $ to go around for stuff like this.
Thanks everyone!
Eric
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10-22-2010, 06:35 PM #14
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Thanked: 1Oh and I would really love to learn the story behind the scales, if you find the time to dig it up.
Can anyone tell me if these pics are good enough to determine the condition of the blade? Im also wondering if anyone can tell me anything else about it, how old it may be, etc.
Thanks,
Im very glad that I found this forum. My wife has noticed that ive been bitten by the bug.
Eric
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10-22-2010, 07:23 PM #15
Nice scales!
As for the box, I'm more of a leg man, so...
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10-22-2010, 09:21 PM #16
There's an Assmann razor! How about that. Now I want one.
Beautiful razor, good find.
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10-22-2010, 09:24 PM #17
VERY NICE RAZOR! Now, these scales are really something else! Lucky dog....nice find
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10-23-2010, 12:17 AM #18
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10-23-2010, 12:28 AM #19
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Thanked: 3795Ignore what I said in the PM about Engels razors. That was before I saw your photos. Unique scales can go for a ridiculously wide variety of prices. Somewhere there are at least two collectors that often pay very high prices for scales they decide they like. I've never seen ones like yours before.
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10-25-2010, 04:17 AM #20
Found the story behind the scales and a pic of another set in black, but not an Engleswerk blade.
The Legend of St. Hubertus Legend has it Hubertus, born in the seventh century, seeks comfort and distraction on lonely hunts after the death of his beloved wife Princess Floribana in childbirth.
One Christmas Eve, he encounters on one of these hunts the wondrous image of a splendid red albino stag carrying a shining cross between its antlers. Through this vision, Hubert is moved to transform his life. He lays down his high ranks of office and distributes his wealth among the poor and the church.
St. Hubertus has been the patron saint of hunters and animal protectionists (Tierschutzverein) in northern Europe who attempt to honor him by sharing their feasts with townspeople, holding charity fundraising festivals and being responsible for the care of animals on their lands, both domestic and wild.
When a buck was hunted, hunters through the ages have placed a pallium, or a small branch of evergreen, or if none is available, oak, in the mouth of the fallen game. This is done as an offering of the Last Bite, signifying a final salute to the animal and symbolically giving back to GOD " the soul which I receive from Him." If food was scarce in the winter, he would go out to the forest to provide it for the animals.
He valued his loyal hunting dogs though often they went to the forest not to hunt, but to be a part its wonder. Through honoring the forest's creatures, he honored the creator. He felt a responsibility to all animals and could not let an animal suffer needlessly.
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