Thanks for the link! It won't work where I am, but will definitely be seen when I get home! I wish there was a book on at least W and B's Which was correct and complete! So many details in just one maker's history. The cool thing about this forum to me, at least, is learning of early history. It is cool to be able to deal with such old things in a useful manner. It would be great to have all the scoop on Greaves and other Sheffield makers, some obscure ! That book, Is There ONE?