Thread: Bartmaan Manganese Steel.question

amazing, some of you new guys make me smile ... You spend good money on a razor that you have no real clue what you are even buying...

Bartman razors are a highly regarded brand and known to be very good shavers, that is why they command a high price and that price goes up the better shape they are in...The price is even higher as the size increases as like many things in life size does matter

It is the word Manganese that is not special, they stuck all kinds of words on these old gals most of which were just advertising, and back then the advertising was not much regulated at all...

Some of what you see

Damascus
India
Crucible
Silver
Magnetic
Electric
Ice Hardened
Frozen Temper
Self Honing
Never Hone
Easy hone
Barber's Use Only
Heavy Beard Special
Fine Grain
and many many more...

As you can see this gets to be more and more fun,

But the Bartman should be a great shaver for you..

=D what can i say; Not a pro like many of you guys in world of SR i do so many things at 1 time. ran on gig Bartmaan nothin came up. Msg the seller on bay didnt get back. So i was like "wth" why not. I will try the razor. gettin my 30K grit stone so be fun times while I watch a classic Kurosawa movie and horn away. after few good shaves. I do not have a white scale razor; so for now I will keep this.
I thank all you guys for input. =D

I arrived late for this question.

Branding the razor with the word Maganese is, as has already been stated, simply marketing.

Personally, I don't want the stuff in any steel I can get as it affects the heat treatment for what I want to do with the steel. Even as I say that, it has it's purposes and can improve steel for particular functions. It's often found in greater amount in work hardening steels. That was mentioned above.

Manganese ore is found naturally associated with iron ore deposits. It cannot be eliminated from steel during the smelting process unless expensive means are used and those are simply not practical. As a percentage, the steels I like have between 0.3 and 0.5% manganese in them. Just doubling that percentage can make it difficult to achieve features I like to see. A very little Mn has big effects.

I'd bet that blade is a good shaver, marketing and metal mysteries aside, use it.

I hope you didn't pay anything exorbitant for your Bartmann,I have two and bought them because of the name and picture,but I think I didnt pay more than $40 for both of them. The good thing is that they are great shavers,and should serve you well,and as I said there cool looking
Enjoy

actually this was 8/8. Price 600. I know not suppose to say it. Hopefully anyone will not make a big deal about it. Well Filamonica is on ebay right now a NOS. So hopefully it be fun times with that one as well ^_^ ....

Originally Posted by darkraijin

actually this was 8/8. Price 600. I know not suppose to say it. Hopefully anyone will not make a big deal about it. Well Filamonica is on ebay right now a NOS. So hopefully it be fun times with that one as well ^_^ ....

We should see this as dedication. People do seem ready to pay quite a premium for 8/8 or wider blades, and I often wonder what shape of noses they have. Not you, of course - I mean all those other people.

That's in interesting point. How do people get a razor that wide under their nose without amputating their top lip from the bad angle? This does explain those tiny little Japanese "nose razors" I've seen for sale, though.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

amazing, some of you new guys make me smile ... You spend good money on a razor that you have no real clue what you are even buying...

Bartman razors are a highly regarded brand and known to be very good shavers, that is why they command a high price and that price goes up the better shape they are in...The price is even higher as the size increases as like many things in life size does matter

It is the word Manganese that is not special, they stuck all kinds of words on these old gals most of which were just advertising, and back then the advertising was not much regulated at all...

Some of what you see

Damascus
India
Crucible
Silver
Magnetic
Electric
Ice Hardened
Frozen Temper
Self Honing
Never Hone
Easy hone
Barber's Use Only
Heavy Beard Special
Fine Grain
and many many more...

As you can see this gets to be more and more fun,

But the Bartman should be a great shaver for you..

Well, I don't believe we have heard from anybody who knows more than the original poster about what is in this razor. Not many of gssixgun's names are really complete flim-flam, although one or two are. Crucible and electrically melted steels are good things we take for granted now, but were worth mentioning before they became the norm, and some plain steels did benefit from sub-zero quenching. Mind you, Never Hone sounds like a useful trick if you can do it.

Alloying elements interact with one another in quite complex ways. I think there is every chance that this razor contains something like the 1.00 to 1.4% manganese which is currently used in 01 tool steel. While adding to abrasive resistance, this is also intended to reduce the tendency to warp in hardening, mainly by hardening under the gentler quenching of oil instead of water or brine. That is an extremely valuable quality for a maker of razors, but not much when you have got your completed, non-distorted razor.

It is true that manganese helps to confer abrasion resistance, which sounds good in anything that requires a really sharp edge. A razor also requires to be tough and malleable enough for the edge, which is pretty toothy under enough magnification, to be bent by cutting hair and straightened up by the strop. I think you could make a razor from something much harder (tungsten carbide?) which would be first-class for longer, and yet need rehoning sooner.

Originally Posted by Caledonian

Well, I don't believe we have heard from anybody who knows more than the original poster about what is in this razor. Not many of gssixgun's names are really complete flim-flam, although one or two are. Crucible and electrically melted steels are good things we take for granted now, but were worth mentioning before they became the norm, and some plain steels did benefit from sub-zero quenching. Mind you, Never Hone sounds like a useful trick if you can do it.

I do believe you, like many others miss the point with these names it is a common mitake made when you attribute processes today, and relate them to the advertising of old... The point being that the advertising on most all of these just wasn't true / or was very mis-leading...

Same as in the 60's every product on the shelves was "New and Improved" it wasn't until much later that the laws were put into place that made it illegal to advertise it as "New" unless the actual formula of the product had changed by a certain percentage...
I hope that helps you understand it a bit better now... Just because Sub Zero was on the front of the razor don't mistake it for the Cyro processes of today

seems I bring everyone to share their opinion here =D ::: ^_^ Will put pix of my Hard beard Filamonica sometime in next week. Cant wait to see what the 'whole' deal is with that razor.
But for me managese steel question has been answered. Ad hook used by firm thats all. But plz share all lovely options.