Thread: Please help Identify this Razor Marked Schneide Gehammert

Convoluted it certainly is! Not only that, but the old slang terms seem to be acquiring new meanings/definitions - thats how language grows though, I expect. Your 'Gregory' always used to be your neck when I was young ('Gregory Peck') but now it seems to mean a cheque - which we called a 'kite' ... its all gone a bit Pete Tong, if you know what I mean!

My dad was born to the sound of Bow bells, so I grew up with a lot of the old London slang. Most peoples take on 'kettle' comes from 'kettle and hob' as it rhymes with 'fob' for fob watch, but others say it is from 'kettle of Scotch' and to make things muddier a kettle is a 'Hansel' for making a cup of Rosy Lee...

The origins of 'snide' are quite interesting, and possibly just as obscure. In one sense it is sharp or cutting - as in a 'snide' remark. The cutting meaning of it is also carried over to schnied meaning 'fake' in the sense that it is a direct reference to the german 'schneideren' meaning cutting or clipping, because coins made from precious metal were cut or clipped and became worth less, or even worthless if carried to excess and noticeable.

'Drum' is far too convoluted, except to point out that the modern derivation (or more properly back-derivation) of 'Drum and Base' (your 'place') is too modern to account for the original meaning.

Regards,
Neil

Hi Neil, we always used 'kite' for a cheque, although 'Gregory Peck' rings a bell, your reference to 'Drum and Bass' is somewhat like the highjacking of 'Chav' which is Romany for child, but now is used as a term for stereotypical white, working class, uneducated, people with a penchant for fake designer items of clothing and jewelry.
I was born within spitting distance of the Tower of London, and my earliest memories were of my Nan taking me down the lane, she used to buy cloth and patterns from a stall to make dresses or 'frocks' as she liked to call them, I would look on in wonder at the blokes who used to run the crockery stalls, someone chucking a stacked china dinner service up in the air and catching the lot unbroken was a sight to behold, then would come the roll mop lady standing behind a wooden barrel full to the brim, and along from her a chap selling hot bagels threaded on broom handles.
The area was a mix of cockney rhyming slang, Yiddish, German, and some Russian and Polish. It smelt of all manner of foodstuffs, some fresh some not! Roll mops, haimisha cucumbers, bread, cheese, and some smells It would be better to leave in the past! Of course we had Tubby Issacks seafood stall, and Bloom's restaurant at Aldgate, and the Bagel shop in Brick lane, fresh hot bagels 24/7 and salt beef to die for.

Anyway mate, me Old Dutch has just give me a tinkle on the dog, to say she is coming down the frog with me pie 'n' mash, so I'd better wash me mitts an me boat and stick the kettle on for a cup of rosy.

here's me hand, and here's me heart, and I'll cop yer later.

John

Hi,
I wonder why no one mentioned that this is a rare MUSSEL Trademark SR of the ERN Company of Solingen-Wald. This trademark was used by ERN from the 1890s to the1930s.
The #3083 seems to have been produced in different sizes from 4/8in to 7/8in blades.
The following is my own 6/8in MUSSEL #3083 with a stronger tang.
This one was made for Export, so HAMMER FORGED is etched on the blade instead of SCHNEIDE GEHÄMMERT for the german market.



For $20 you made a nice deal !
Greetings from Solingen
Rainer