Thread: Thiers Issard grades

What is the significance of the different markings applied to T-I razors? I am referring to the "Loup et Bellier", "Bijou de France", "Eagle" etc. trademarks. Any functional differences? I did a search, but have not found much info. Thanks

Bill

Originally Posted by Sadataki

What is the significance of the different markings applied to T-I razors? I am referring to the "Loup et Bellier", "Bijou de France", "Eagle" etc. trademarks. Any functional differences? I did a search, but have not found much info. Thanks

Bill

I don't know if these designations mean anything. I do know that Eagle was a brand they created for one particular vendor. From my experience, the premium razors seem to be the same.

I evaluate the Tis by two standards, the metal and the grind. Their best razors (other than the special models) seem to be the silver steel and their fanciest models all seem to be full hollow. I believe that only the silver steel razors are lead hardened, which makes the blades superb.

Joe,

What's lead hardened?

Originally Posted by Kees

Joe,

What's lead hardened?

The blade is tempered or hardened by putting it in molten lead, which seems to be the ideal way to harder. TI is the only one that does it because it's illegal in most countries, including France (TI seems to have a special dispensation).

Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

The blade is tempered or hardened by putting it in molten lead, which seems to be the ideal way to harder. TI is the only one that does it because it's illegal in most countries, including France (TI seems to have a special dispensation).

Most of that is marketing hype, as DOVO also uses molten lead to temper their razors too...

Nenad

Thanks. I just ordered a T-I to rotate with my Feather and was curious about the markings on the blade.

I can see that this isn't going to stop anytime soon.

Most of the markings as joe said, such as Eagle, are used for different vendors so not two vendors in the same sales are (USA) will have the same production razors. On special editions...damascus, etc....they will often use different handle materials so each dealer has something unique.

The more specialized names come from a list of trade names TI has used in the past and will often resurect them for a new dealer.

I wn 14 TI razors now from the least expensive to the most and love them all. Actually with the exception of a few very old meat choppers and one Filarmonica they are the only brand I own and use right now.

Tony

Originally Posted by superfly

Most of that is marketing hype, as DOVO also uses molten lead to temper their razors too...

Nenad

I don't think that's right. If you have some information that uses Dovo lead hardening, please identify it.

I believe they were doing it in the video of their production process but I'm not 100% sure as it was in German lol.

Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

I don't think that's right. If you have some information that uses Dovo lead hardening, please identify it.

Why you don't think that's right? Just because DOVO didn't said so before? Check this discussion:

http://straightrazorpalace.com/showt...ght=DOVO+video

And also the DOVO video:

http://www.kabeleins.de/doku_reporta...artikel/01500/

Click on "Schnell: DSL/LAN (min. 600kBit/s)" and then "> Speichern und zum Video"

In time mark 2:55 you can see the lead tempering process, while the narator talks about "the razors being covered with graphite, and then immersed in bath of molten lead. The graphite prevents the lead to be stuck to the metal. The bath temperature is more than 850 Centigrade."

cheers,
Nenad