Boy Trondsi, I was I could see the razor and be there with you...I can imagine it's frustrating for you as well. I was going to say let me know what you think of the 10k Naniwa, but I think you have bigger problems. Was the razor "sharp" enough before going to the 10k? What stone are going to finish it on, if not the 10k? I would think the 12k Naniwa is perfect. I have neither, so I'm just hoping that you can render a hands on opinion as to the usefulness of a 10k Naniwa, or even the 12k, for that matter - which has had rave reviews. Please, keep this thread alive and keep us informed.