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    Quote Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus View Post
    Too big for you, Grasshopper.
    I don't know man, I don't think any of those are over 5/8 myself... some could even be 4/8's! But only 8765309 knows for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earcutter View Post
    I don't know man, I don't think any of those are over 5/8 myself... some could even be 4/8's! But only 8765309 knows for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus View Post
    "Jenny, Jenny, who could I turn to?"
    Brother... lol, you don't miss a thing!! Good catch LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by earcutter View Post
    Brother... lol, you don't miss a thing!! Good catch LOL!
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    The shell scaled razors are tiny. They are 3/8 and 1/2" and very short. If you look at the group photo you can get some perspective. The Hiram Gilbert razor is 5/8" and the CAST one varies from heel to toe.

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    Interesting! I'm certain that the Hiram Gilbert I have was manufactured by Joseph Elliot, but I've never seen an Elliot frameback. That looks more like a Wostenholm to me.

    In the digging I did, the only New York-based Hiram Gilbert I could find was a farmer in the Upstate region. This Hiram Gilbert was almost certainly in New York City. I guess it's time to dig deeper!

    I am lustful over the other razors too. The one stamped 'Cast' looks like it has a crown and something beneath that. I wonder if it's a transitional stamp from the Shepherd firm? (razors stamped {crown} Wolf).

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    Alrighty! I've dug up a likely suspect for our man, Hiram Gilbert.

    North of Syracuse, NY, a bit East of Fulton, there's a region known as Six-Mile Creek. In 1819 Hiram Gilbert and his brother Andrus built a grist mill there. In 1821, Andrus built the first store in the town. It became known as Gilberts Mills. At some point between 1821 and 1863, there were two stores, two blacksmith shops, two shoe stores, a grist mill, a sawmill and a post office. Gilberts Mills was on the down slope of prosperity by 1868 thanks in large part to the Midland Railroad which had no stops there.

    An older book I found, talking about the region, lists the chain of ownership of Gilberts Mills, which should help narrow down when these razors were made.



    That suggests that these razors date from 1833 to 1844, the time period when Hiram Gilbert owned the operation.

    The newer history I found of the region treats the whole era as a shrouded mystery, so it would probably be news to local historians that there are Hiram Gilbert branded razors.

    I'd be willing to bet money that these razors are from that Hiram Gilbert, though. Most likely made in Sheffield but it's not out of the question that they're simply very well-made lookalikes.
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    I am probably crazy, but the Hiram Gilbert seems to have laminated steel in the frameback and I thought maybe a Captain Gilbert had a razor made for himself in Japan. I wish Manah or Neil Miller or any other expert would take a look at the Savigny razor. Mr Savigny died before 1800. The CAST razor has an inscription on the scales: Mr Arvelin Whittclayce. He might have been the original owner.

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