Thread: A primer on genuine tortoiseshell

I will venture Fake
Crisp lines
second pick color not through
third pick looks to show blond color at chip in dark area.

Best guess dyed horn...

Originally Posted by pfries

I will venture Fake
Crisp lines
third pick color not through
fourth pick looks to show blond color at chip in dark area.

Best guess dyed horn...

Fourth pic? i must be missing one! nevertheless i say fake as well, looks like surface stained, small chunk missing in pic 1 shows darker color only on surface. +1 for dyed horn.

Originally Posted by Martin103

Fourth pic? i must be missing one! nevertheless i say fake as well, looks like surface stained, small chunk missing in pic 1 shows darker color only on surface. +1 for dyed horn.

LOL fixed had the last one from the post above in my view and I was getting help from my four year old..... 2nd and 3d.....

Gonna take while to read thru this, But, THANKS, ScienceGuy, for providing this! And thanks to all the contributors as well.
Great thread!

Originally Posted by pfries

Best guess dyed horn...

Bingo. This one is dyed horn, for all the reasons you guys found. The edges are sharp, the colors are a little off, and the dark colors don't penetrate. It is also late English and has collars (though it has been restored so hard to say on that point). Once you've seen a good amount of the dyed horn, even good ones like this jump out right away as faux. Good eyes!

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

and has collars (though it has been restored so hard to say on that point).

This is one of the reasons the last thing I look at when eyeing vintage are the scales, not to mention you can change them just as easily.

Thanks for all the great info ScienceGuy

Ok here's some more tortoise.

A good early example with a lot of blonde parts. This type is my favorite:



Next up, I picked this up from razor emporium for super cheap. (It was listed as celluloid... heh...). You can even see the bug bites in the original photo from the listing.



These scales were too far structurally damaged to be used whole, so I put them to use in another project. Anyway, here's a bunch of pictures for reference of what the material looks like in various lighting conditions. These were also very matte from years of neglect.

Link to interesting pdf of The Characterization of Tortoise Shell and its Imitations The Characterization of Tortoise Shell and its Imitations | Gems & Gemology

Here is a French late 18th C. or early 19th C. razor
with silver washers, shield and VERY thin darkened tortoise scales (small bug bites are visible)

Here is an additional photo showing the variations in coloring that can be obtained. The material doesn't darken substantially with age - these are all about the same age. The coloring comes from natural variations, and variations when the scutes are pressed together into thicker material.