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and of course.. a lot comes down to learning your brush.. i'm willing to bet if you started lathering strictly with a toothbrush.. before long you'd be building great lather.. you've just got to...

i do enjoy face lathering soaps with my vdh deluxe.. but i have to say it's such an ugly brush.. i won't store it on a counter or shelf.. it gets stored out of sight.. i just don't like the way boars...