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well thats cause the 12k is really only meant for a handful of strokes to set that final edge. It shouldn't be used to bring back an edge.

Its funny... right after I posted that quote I found straight razor designs... thanks!

have any websites where I can get them @ a good cost?

I Just got a Thiers-Issard 5/8 Taos straight razor and I am in the market for a honing stone even thought it came shave ready I know this edge wont last forever. I am looking only to maintain a great...