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Thank you,I learned alot,bummer is,I have 11 wackers:( only 4 I use tho:)

On water only? am afraid to,I worked hard on this edge:(

Thank you,your 100% correct.
I went back to my 3k natural.than my 8K norton,Than my coti,she shaves like a dream:)
I still think Wackers are not the norm,just a feeling I have.

I think you are 100% right,is not the razor nor the stone,but the always learning honista.
It will come around eventually,time is one thing I have alot of, thank god.

Never shave at 8K,normally will go 8K to Jnat and be done,perhaps the wackers as said above are tempered diff than what I am used to and just need more Jnat time.

Good info,will go back to the Coti,other blades love the jnat (nakayama KIIta)The wacker do's not I suppose.Thx

Thx maxi,tried a new Jnat today and it just did not happen for me with the wacker.
Will try the coti in the mornmJnat worked to perfection with some others.
Maybe something with the steel wacker...

Anyone find them difficult to hone? Just curious,your thoughts.