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I do use the magic marker test but I will review with you said and try everything else thanks for the advice!

with great difficulty. I do have a problem with the heel getting less sharper than the rest of the body of the blade, I assume this is why.

that was a big problem for me but I learned to avoid the stabilizer and now I don't have a problem.

basically I start with either the heel or the toe to the left or the right of the stone but not on the stone and then bring it down diagonally across the stone. then I take the opposite side put that...

Thanks Jimmy! I've been working at it hard so I don't want all my hard work to go to waste if I've been doing it wrong -lol!

Jimmy-
in your professional experience just out of curiosity was I right that I hit that on the mark generally speaking? I want to learn just as well!
Tony

now don't go buy me 100 percent because I just started honing myself but I've been honing successfully using the x strokes and you're not supposed to start off on the stone flat you're supposed to...