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thanks lads,
based on my findings & a lot of reading I have bitten the bullet and gone the Naniwa Superstone for the 1k as it has been given great all round reviews from what I have found $55US...

yeh Eddy after last weekends failed attemps with the W&D with getting the edge to what seemed set & then loosing it on the hone somehow? ( blaming a too thin piece of glass as the base as a thicker 1...

Finally had success today with my 2nd hone session on the norton 4/8k after last weekends play of trial & error with emphasis on error
but changed the thin glass I had with wet & dry last week to a...