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ahh. very good advice. thank you. will have to try that. i picked up a second kami but havent made a box for it yet.

ive never shaken the box but its very secure side-to-side. i think it would slide around if you shook it north-south though. =]

i like to store my kami point down so i made a storage box. one wood box, two small wood cubes and a little glue. total cost i think maybe $2 tops from craft supply store but it turned out nice....