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Also, Virii are wholly dependent upon higher life forms for their survival, and without us, and other "higher" life forms (including dogs, cats, horses, ...), they would die off. So which came...

However, according to your theories, in millions and millions of years, falling into a primordial soup, breaking down into its basic elements, and then somehow forming RNA through the passage of...

Okay, here in lies our failure to come to a resolution. You have no definition of life. When there is no finite point at which you say that one thing is alive, and this other thing is not. Based...

I will have to read your sources when i get home, but by cursory review, one seems to be a blog, and potentially taking the position that crystals are a form of life, but like I said I will have to...

When you can, please provide a citation, or some support, that the proposition that life cannot come from non-life was abaondoned by most serious "scientific" minds.

I'm not buying the golden...

So we are creating life in a laboratory to prove the hypothesis that life was not created? I have got to be missing something?!?




Do you have citations for your position that this idea...

Evolution is the theory of an organism changing through the process of natural selection.

It is not a theory by which life was originally created. Science has only one unrefuted position on...

I did not say evolution. I said evolution as a means of creation.

Matt

So the Big Bang, evolution as a means of creation, and all other impossible to replicate "scientific" theories are also philosophy. There is no way to apply the scientific method and there is no...

Show me the scientific community that will consider the possibility of intelligent design with out crucifying the proponent of the theory. See the movie Expelled. I would counter that "Science" is...

Russel,

You will never be satisfied. I am amazed at the references we do have. Documents of antiquity do not last. Just look at the Constitution and the sate it is in, and it is kept in...

It is also faulted logic to, out of prejudice against Christianity, discount the written accounts of Jesus' life because they are the first 4 books of the new testament. Prove to me that the events...

The "personal contact" accounts, and writing of those who were in his presence, are in the Bible, which you all dismiss as fanciful works of fiction.

So in essence your argument is "I don't...

what an unbelievably holier than thou, demeaning, and condescending attitude. When a discussion degrades into sarcasm, as You and X are so eloquently versed, it is no longer a discussion. The...

This thread has reinforced my opinion that we are living in a time where the religion of the masses is the exaltation of the individual, and not submission to a supreme being. Whether you want to...

go my brother and commune with nature. be one with the fish. catch them and eat them. You have more important things to do than discuss God, and all of his intricacies.

Brief diversion:

Justin, how is the fly fishing?

diversion over.

okay, my post above may be dated since I had to run to a meeting, and was delayed in posting. If the topics have been covered, I apologize for rehashing ideas already espoused.

to return to my prior argument, there has still not been any evidence put forth that supports the position that life, any life, comes from non-life. If anyone is asserting this position, then they...

:eek: :eek: If there are no facts, then there is no science and no certainty.

Instead of the law of gravity we have the opinion of gravity. Instead of the law of conservation of angular...

Since this thread is not about the validity or invalidity of any specific religion/set of beliefs, and merely the small topic of "God" I have to point out one, indisputable fact.

Life does not...

by the way, what does an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac do?


Stays up all night wondering if there is a dog.

atheist or agnostic? If you are truly and atheist, I would love to hear your arguments as to where everything came from, how life began, and what our purpose is. the agnostic answer is easy, "I...

Anything I can say has already been said by men far wiser and more articulate than me. I differ to the Bible.

Matt