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You can really get DFS off of the 8k. There used to be quite a few SRP members who never went beyond that. Not sure about now but that was the way it used to be a couple of years ago.

As I've posted a number of times, when I was learning to hone, Randy was helping me out, and I told him I was honing on the 4/8 and moving on to the 12k. He told me to shave test off of the 8k before...