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Just though i'd menton i have had great results coming of a coticule with light slurry untill the razor is shaving body hair a piece of cake ..then whipped out my 10k naniwa and worked on that with...

Rich your quite right mainly la grise and la grise combo's are being mined. they are acatuly softer than most likely the la grise you tryed. I have tryed 3 and i did'nt get along with them. i did'nt...