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We were discussing a certain company, that there were no more Herders in that particular company does not mean that there were no more Herders left in the world!

Regards,
Neil

Well, we are getting somewhere. At least we have dismissed the ridiculous proposition that it was anything to do with Joh. Abr. Herder. I really cannot see it as being a mistranslation - J does...

There is no 'possibly' about it - that is what I was alluding to - I don't think I could make it clearer.

As for F Herder & Sohn being mistaken for Joh. Abr. Herder & Sne, that's stretching...

Phew - that was hard work! Thanks Martin, that's exactly what I was talking about.

Regards,
Neil

Exactly. I have the same book.

It just states what you reproduced, with nothing to substantiate it. A single line - not even a full line - of print. No examples, no reproductions of the mark,...

I have already read that - all it does is repeat info from other sources, it doesn't give the answer.

Regards,
Neil

The company was established in 1727 by Peter Herder - this is when the ace of spades was registered - the oldest trademark in Germany.
1762 - company owned by Abraham Herder and Johann Peter Herder...