My shaves started to improve when I decided I really didn't know what I was doing and went back to the video of lynn shaving and watched and listened. I found out that my angle was all wrong and I went back to the drawing board on honing and got my razor shave ready. now i'm not in the class as lynn or Max or others here on the place but I can now shave without the big ol crocodile tears. that's been 6-9 months ago. I tried straight shaveing years ago didn't quite know what I was doing so I stopped then tried it again and stopped. then found this web site and started back. Have enjoyed ever since. So I guess this has been a long winded THANKS GUYS.