hey everyone, I posted a topic about this a while back, however acting upon the advice i still had the same prob, so i stopped. However last week i decided to have a little practice, I can finally shave against the grain on both cheeks, however when i go to shave above my lip its almost impossible, the razor just stops, I try to gently apply force but it wont move so I lift the razor and try again, still nothing. So obviously eventually I cut myself, so I havent tried yet ATG on my neck until Iam happy I can do it safely. I was wondering if anyone had any wisdom, Iam now using a shaving cream generously given to me by another SRP member when I joined a while back, its very very good much better than proraso, Im using a dovo renaissance, which I dont know how to check if its up to par, however it shaves all over perfectly apart from my upper lip, I dont know how to hone at all and I really dont want to try first on a £90 razor. I look forward to hearing the replies.