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I decided, as it's now two weeks since I started SRS, that I would try the 'fools pass'
It will deffo be staying in the routine, unless it means I can't shave daily! I don't think I could get that closeness of shave with out going ATG, XTG would probably do it but that would be awkward with the shavette as the point of the blade isn't at the point of the case.
I also used to two handed grip to shave my chin, which was effective as well.
A good day!
Greg
I'm glad that by trying new techniques you're seeing results! Sometimes they work better than others. Once you've got the basic shave down it's good to see what else can improve it.
I can't comfortably go ATG coming up around the point of my chin. I also cannot do ATG on the upper lip. If you can and it is comfortable and effective that is great. Differences in skin and whiskers dictate what works for some and not for others. Back when I shaved with a DE I couldn't do the fool's pass with a Slant and a Feather.
Absolutely, I don't think I could have done either with out using a double handed grip as I don't think I would have been able to do the very light, controlled strokes that it allows you to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
I'm just watching the videos and trying things basically, I can't do the 'Japanese grip' for example, though that's definitely a psychological problem!
There are so many variables, that's what keeps it interesting I guess.
Sorry to be ignorant but what is a FOOLS PASS? Is it also called by some other name?
It's called a fools pass because if you slip your nose will be laying in the sink!Quote:
Originally Posted by mkevenson
It is a method that was introduced by Xman to shave the upper lip against the grain.
With a big 'DONT TRY THIS AT HOME' warning if memory serves :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
I'll have a quick look for the video
Here you go
http://straightrazorpalace.com/video...technique.html
It was good to watch that again! I wonder how many goes you get at that realistically, before you do end up with your nose in the sink?
as many, I suppose, as you do doing your sideburns with out cutting your ear lobes off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben.mid
using two hands, I didn't even think about messing it up really. Worth a go, I think.
Thanks, I've learned something today. It is a good day! That angle under the chin on the 2nd video looks like 90 degrees to me. Just shows what the camera can make you believe.
Mr. T won't listen to that jibberjabber...Quote:
Originally Posted by gregs656
http://www.g-ray.co.uk/pictures/MrTfp2.jpg
i do the fools pass when a need an adrenaline rush :rofl2:
Jszabo, Ha great line.. I might make that my signature hehe..
I have tried it, it's not that smooth imho.
I guess I've resigned myself to using my DE+Feather for ATG on my upper lip.
I watched Xman's vid's on the fool's pass, but two things I noticed:
1. He has a very light beard, my beard is like sandpaper in thicket form.
2. He uses a wedge to do the job, I haven't fully restored my W&B yet so I don't know if it makes a big difference because my hollow grounds don't work as well on the "fool's pass."
I do get nervous when trying it, but for the seconds it takes to pass with the Futur and Feather.. I just don't need the extra worries. I have enough scars on my face n body no need for more hehe.
cheers
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different strokes for different folks I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshavesalot
Personally, any closer and I would have been removing skin I think :chop:
I do it with all my razors, that's just the one I had out that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshavesalot
X
When I do the "Fool's Pass," it has to be the last of four passes.
1. WTG going north-south.
2. Chevron stroke from 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock, down and in, towards my upper lip at the center of the clock.
3. Chevron stroke from 8 o'clock and 4 o'clock, up and in, toward my nose at the center of the clock.
4. Fool's Pass.
Very light on all these, or else the sheer number of passes leaves me a bit raw or with weepers.
I've done it since my first shave with a str8, I guess ignorance is bliss. I still do it when I do a full 3 pass shave.
Serg
When I first started I tried to do the fools pass but using only one hand. So I tried using two hands. Before I heard of it being called the fools pass I thought I was cheating. Now I don't feel so guilty.
I do the fools pass too on every shave. I have dark hair and light skin. If I don't do ATG it looks like I haven't shaved. Plus I just like BBS shaves.
Does anybody think that it's true what they say, that the upper lip can be too sensitive to shave against the grain?
X
I think it's possible, every one is different I guess. My stubble is very course, so it takes a very sharp edge to prevent the blade skipping. I think if I had more sensitive skin, this could be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by xman
If I had more sensitive skin, I'd be skeee-rewed. I have coarse, dark, thick whiskers, and relatively pale skin (during the winter, anyway). Three pass shaves are the norm (with an occassional "et's go REAL close today" clean up pass), which include a fools pass. Ever since my first full-face straight shave, I've been doing them.
VERY sharp edge, steady hand, and short movements. I don't think I've ever nicked myself during the fool's pass.
Luckily, for me the foul's pass isn't a straight up motion to my nose. My mustache grows out from my nose down to the corners of my mouth, which means shave ATG on my lip is more of a sideways stroke from the corners of my mouth to my nose.
Thank god.
No, I don't think it's too sensitive to do ATG on the upper lip, but all the planets need to be in alignment: sharp edge, smoooooth edge (a la coticule), light touch, good technique, and excellent beard (moustache?) prep.Quote:
Originally Posted by xman
Personally, I blow my cheeks out like Louis Armstrong then stretch the skin before doing the fool's pass. You get a lot closer, but the risks of irritation are higher. Takes a bit of practice, but once you get it then there's no reason you can get irritation-free ATG on upper lip every time... as confirmed by the final pass with an Alum block!
I do all of my ATG passes, including the "Fool's Pass" in an oblique direction. It's still BBS after a cold water rinse and I have less irritation. BTW, my beard is rather thick and dense, especially on the sides of my chin.
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Originally Posted by xman
I agree with Majurey. For my Fool's Pass, I also find I need sufficient velocity of the edge to prevent it from hanging up in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by majurey