I was using an Arkansas stone with the basic technique I've seen in barber textbooks and online, gliding it across at a small angle without hardly any pressure. After being turned on to the help files, I've found I need the 4k/8k waterstone. If anyone would like to hone it, let me know. I also have ordered a new DOVO 5/8 carbon razor from classic shaving, do I need to do any honing to it to make it shave ready?