Thread: Wilson Hawksworth - Interesting Grind

Yes, Richard, I believe you are correct, Andrew's blade is much thinner and hollow
Mike

Richard - I don't think that machine you gave the link for the patent for would make a groove like that - if you carefully read the description and the way in which the razor is presented to the wheels and the shape of the wheels themselves, it is simply another hollow grinding machine.

Re: it looking like a 'blood groove' - there is no such thing, as a simple google of 'fullering tool' and 'cannelure' will show.

The use of a blacksmiths fullering tool to spread the metal and form the groove might well have started the groove, but it would have been finished on a grinding machine. Indeed, in the days of hand-wrought blades it was common practice to impart the hollow by hammering the blade over a former or fuller, then for it to be finished on the wheel in the conventional manner.



Above: blacksmiths fullering tool.

I have seen many of these in older razors, and many were acid etched to hold a name or some-such. The end effect is similar to a rattler, but not quite the same.

As far as I know, fullering was usually practiced on knives and swords, not to allow blood to escape, but to lighten the implement without sacrificing any of its strength.



Above: fullering groove (or 'cannelure') on knife.

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Richard - I don't think that machine you gave the link for the patent for would make a groove like that - if you carefully read the description and the way in which the razor is presented to the wheels and the shape of the wheels themselves, it is simply another hollow grinding machine.

Re: it looking like a 'blood groove' - there is no such thing, as a simple google of 'fullering tool' and 'cannelure' will show.

The use of a blacksmiths fullering tool to spread the metal and form the groove might well have started the groove, but it would have been finished on a grinding machine. Indeed, in the days of hand-wrought blades it was common practice to impart the hollow by hammering the blade over a former or fuller, then for it to be finished on the wheel in the conventional manner.



Above: blacksmiths fullering tool.

I have seen many of these in older razors, and many were acid etched to hold a name or some-such. The end effect is similar to a rattler, but not quite the same.

As far as I know, fullering was usually practiced on knives and swords, not to allow blood to escape, but to lighten the implement without sacrificing any of its strength.



Above: fullering groove (or 'cannelure') on knife.

Regards,
Neil

Hello Niel,
You are correct and I am familiar with the fullering tool.
A preshaped, contoured/ profiled, grinding wheel(s) is a common practice in the tool industry. And the machine that uses two wheels at once in a direction parallel to the blade spine could do so in one or two passes. That, depending upon the set-up used. the five blades I have are all showing grind lines parallel to the blade spine.
Thanks for pointing out the fuller tool.
~Richard

Mebbie we should start a groovy club?

George Wostenholm and Sons
Celebrated IXL Razor
Washington Works
Sheffield

Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY

Thought I would post this here Mike, hope you don't mind. Just acquired this American Simmons in a lot of razors. Has the same grind "blood groove" as yours. It's a 5/8 No.8 Special.


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This is a bit different than the other razors posted. Is is double ground, for certain, but double concave ground. It is a #8 special as an 8 inch stone was used to make the upper grind and then moved down and out to do the lower. Both grinds are concave. Great razor! Certainly George Korn's work. It is not an old wedge with grooves ground in to it. Those oldies are IMO.

Originally Posted by Hart

Mebbie we should start a groovy club?

George Wostenholm and Sons
Celebrated IXL Razor
Washington Works
Sheffield

Hart, gorgeous blade you have there!! I think your onto something with the groovy club.

lads could you post end view pics of these grinds please, as I am looking to get a similar type of grind for a custom if i can
are they wedges or hollows with a groove?
thanks

lads could you post end view pics of these grinds please, as I am looking to get a similar type of grind for a custom if i can
are they wedges or hollows with a groove?
thanks

I got to see Mikes (Mcbladescar) at or last meet. Its a heavy blade, more wedge than anything really. There's a good shot of the end of his on the first page. The one I posted is very much like a hollow ground blade. Very light.

I have one like that somewhere's with that same grind but now that I've been looking for it, I can't find it! I have a lot of razors to go through.

The A. Leon "Diamond Edge" that I recently purchase has that fuller. Vintage Diamond Edge Straight Razor A Leon Sheffield with Case | eBay

Sorry about the ebay pictures but I have yet to find a photo hosting site for my phone that doesn't upload every fricking photo.