just set the bevel bought several open razors all said shave ready none had the bevel set,i do it with an 8000 takes about 30 min or so i reverse hone in circles applying gentle pressure alternate either end so centre doesnt get over done,you know when you get there gets sharp all at once then barely any pressure 2x up and down reverse hone and then super gentle2x blade lead,razor easy after that just 35 strops normaly okafter a while you will find shave gets rough just gently re establish bevel takes very little time 30 seconds or less no pressure,dont use paste i dont or would,oh make sure you keep the hone super clean at the end few strokes.Watch out for false positives, you can make a razor sharp without getting bevel set but its no good.