Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
Stumbled across a website this morning that sells strop treatments all the way up to 160,000 grit.....
http://www.jendeindustries.com/vmchk...-schwartz.html
How far should we really be taking this???
With a treatment so fine it makes me wonder if taking a blade off of a finisher or even a CrOx treated piece of linen if it would make sense to step up from say 25kish to 160k??? Does this mean that we would need multiple treated linen strops with increasing grit rating treatments to make it effective?
I wouldn't necessarily take my blade from a bevel setter to a finisher, althought after watching Lynn's videos about 1 stone honing I am going to try it, so why would I make such a drastic jump??
With something this fine does one have to worry about over honing? Foil edges? etc...
Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
I have been in many discussions about pastes and compounds that are small fractions of a micron.
The supposition that I always return to is that most steels seem unable to support edges this fine, so why bother? Simply put if you hone an edge to a billion grit finish and the edge degrades to a finish that appears under a scope like a 20k finish after a single stroke across your beard....why bother?
Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
640K grit. Use that on my razors every day. It's called Water!!!
Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
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Originally Posted by
brooksie967
I think this is going exactly where I want it to unit. The whole purpose was to debate or confirm if these would be of any benefit to the edge. I whole-heartedly agree that if you are creating an edge that isn't sustainable, then what is the point? The whole point of the edge of a razor is to be able to last for the duration of not just one but many shaves without having to do any major adjustments to it.
To confirm my question about over honing: Perhaps I am misusing the term but I have read/seen images blades with wire edges, or foil edges. I suppose I assumed this was due to 'over honing' the blade to a point at which the bevel meets and is so thin that it acts as a foil causing bending/breaking/microchipping etc.
I was wondering if this could result of taking the blade to such a high grit that this happens and if these pastes/treatments/sprays are capable of doing that.
Again, all this is assuming that the person doing the honing stropping is using proper, even, methodical technique.
Cool. I think that you and I are thinking in a similar direction.
I'd suggest that wire edges are a result of technique and are independent of grit size. I see it frequently on stainless steels...and it can happen with very low grit if you don't know how to detect it and correct it.
Refining an edge beyond your needs is something we all perhaps strive for...but how far beyond is what I am discussing. An order of magnitude beyond my needs is what I classify as 'silly'. YMMV...as will what is needed in the first place.
Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
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Originally Posted by
Martin103
For example many use CROX after stones to remove some harshness, we are talking about just a few passes here like 5 to 10,(.5 crox= 30,000 grit) but that doesnt mean the razor is a the 30k level!
There been a lot of discussion about the Shapton 30k hone, and from what i gathered it is somewhat easy,
to make the edge collapse on this hone if your not careful.That said im not sure what most razors will take but probably around 20 to 30k would be my guess.
No offense but "we" are not talking about the same thing. "I" am talking about more than a few passes and grit sizes 20 or more TIMES what you are.
Given this, I think we may agree on what I was talking about:D
Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
Thanks Glen. I suspected the limit was somewhere around 30k...but it was pure conjecture based on the steels I have worked with.
Thanks for sharing the wisdom.
Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???
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Originally Posted by
gssixgun
At the edge that is probably a good guess, and perhaps a bit lower on many razors -BUT- don't make the same mistake many knife guys make there is an added dimension to SR's that has nothing to do with how sharp the edge is, it is the mystical magical "How Smooth the Edge Feels" part of Straight Razors... This is the baffling part because there is no science behind it, with straight razors two things make up the perfect edge Sharpness and Smoothness, and you can argue it all day there is no end to it..
My smooth might not be the same as your smooth, or Matin's or Jimmy's or Marty's, that last elusive 1% is all personal...
I have argued the Sharp vs Smooth debate for over 5 years on this forum, there is no answer there are only smoother shaves for you
Thanks again and I 'feel' what you are saying!
For me and my results (razors) smooth and sharp seem to be **somewhat** mutually exclusive.
I have not yet achieved an edge above 8k that was as smooth...but they sure shave close!
I think for me there is no perfect...rather a balance of attributes taylored to my whims;)
This I would never argue...because it is not debatable (it's like 'favorite color' IMO)