Thread: Strop Treatments: How far should we take it???

Stumbled across a website this morning that sells strop treatments all the way up to 160,000 grit.....

http://www.jendeindustries.com/vmchk...-schwartz.html

How far should we really be taking this???

With a treatment so fine it makes me wonder if taking a blade off of a finisher or even a CrOx treated piece of linen if it would make sense to step up from say 25kish to 160k??? Does this mean that we would need multiple treated linen strops with increasing grit rating treatments to make it effective?

I wouldn't necessarily take my blade from a bevel setter to a finisher, althought after watching Lynn's videos about 1 stone honing I am going to try it, so why would I make such a drastic jump??

With something this fine does one have to worry about over honing? Foil edges? etc...

If one can't get the razor to shave well after CrO then one will not get it to shave well after 160k either.

With something this fine does one have to worry about over honing? Foil edges? etc...

With razors wire edges are very rare, probably result of steel properties than honing. One will never overhone if one knows what they are doing on the hones and when to stop on each honing stage. Fine pastes will not compensate for overhoning.

Correction, the site sells up to 640,000 grit and you can choose to finish your blade on it if you choose to send your blade for a honing service ($15).

Stefan, I'm not suggesting that the paste/spray will compensate for overhoning, I'm wondering if using these treatments, or a progression of them increases the risks of over honing.

Overhoning is a myth. If you are honing correctly, then overhoning only occurs when you are removing more steel than necessary or the wife starts to complain about you honing all the time. If you are honing correctly at the correct angle, you can't overhone.

As for stropping at 640K, I'd be concerned about creating a warp in the fabric of time.

Originally Posted by ace

Overhoning is a myth. If you are honing correctly, then overhoning only occurs when you are removing more steel than necessary or the wife starts to complain about you honing all the time. If you are honing correctly at the correct angle, you can't overhone.

As for stropping at 640K, I'd be concerned about creating a warp in the fabric of time.

LOL.

My wife has learned to deal with it already. I have my cutting board I put on my lap while we watch our hour of TV before bed and play with my stones every night

Originally Posted by brooksie967

Correction, the site sells up to 640,000 grit and you can choose to finish your blade on it if you choose to send your blade for a honing service ($15).

Stefan, I'm not suggesting that the paste/spray will compensate for overhoning, I'm wondering if using these treatments, or a progression of them increases the risks of over honing.

I do not know if you can overhone, but the edge can be messed up if not careful.
On another hand people get so hung up on grit numbers, while not much attention is payed to honing technique and mechanics. If the edge is not perfectly ready before it goes to the finishing stage, then those super fine pasts will not do any good.

Originally Posted by ace

As for stropping at 640K, I'd be concerned about creating a warp in the fabric of time.

Honing on the surface of a 2D String cam have huge implications on the edge

I guess my question pertains to someone that is using a good enough technique to produce a comfortable shaving edge. If you are getting an edge that is comfortable for your face but want to squeeze an extra little bit out of your razor by using something like a paste etc, how far should we be taking it before it just gets obscene.

The website your reffering to offers CBN in various grits.(CBN= cubic boron nitride)
Many of us used it with great success! http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...n-nitride.html
This over honing with pastes and sprays is a myth! http://straightrazorpalace.com/strop...xperiment.html

I took my 9/8 W&B downstairs last night to see if I could improve its already fine edge. I went through 8K, 16K and 30K lightly. Then I stropped 150 laps on leather. I never use pastes. It seemed slightly better this morning, but the difference was slight because the edge had already been quite good. I wouldn't do it again unless it started to pull because the slight difference didn't make it worthwhile.