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06-26-2015, 01:32 PM #1
True talc is less abrasive than chalk. From memory talc is pretty much the lowest on the mohs scale
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06-26-2015, 10:40 PM #2
FWW
Here is the same material as that which was used in my Pearl Duck Shamrock Silk Finish Strop. No country of origin was on either the leather or fabric. It is much darker green when damp,
I sold that DD strop recently after doing a reclamation of the materials.
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06-27-2015, 05:15 AM #3
Richard that looks very sImilar to mine without the paste. Is that after yours was cleaned or was it originally like that. Mine doesn't actually mention a country of origin just brands
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06-27-2015, 02:26 PM #4
I've had two Shamrock strops and some other branded strops using, essentially, this material and cleaned and re pasted them. A friend has accumulated a lot of older strop materials in rolls and this is one that was very common in high end strops. There are quite a few differing materials that were commonly used.
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06-27-2015, 03:01 PM #5
Found it! Over the last few years it is a great strop dressing. A bit dusty at first but wears in well. I later added a bit more tallow soft soap. Mixed in a slow cooker I have enough for a couple generations.
A combination of the two formulas:
From: Standing Orders, Forms of Returns, Reports, Entries, etc. of the Queen's Dragoons Guards; 1795 -
"Take 6 pounds of the finest pipe-clay, pound it very small, put it in a tub, and put to it about 5 gallons of cold water. Let it remain for two or three days, stirring it now and then. Then take 6 ounces of gum dragon, and put it into 4 quarts of boiling water, and cover it up close for two or three days. When the gum is well dissolved, take a fine hair sieve, and strain it into the pipe-clay, and keep stirring the pipe-clay well all the time you are doing this. Then take half an ounce of stone blue, and dissolve it well amongst your colouring (this gives a clear gloss to the belts). Let it all remain one day longer, and it will be fit for use, putting it on lightly and evenly with a sponge."
1788 Strop Formula reduced amounts
From: The Discipline of the Light Horse by Capt. Hinde, 1778 (pg 559) -
"A Receipt for the White Belts. Take 1 ½ lb of Pipe-clay, 3 Quarts of Water, ¼ lb of Best Glue, ¼ lb of White Soap, Boil the Soap and Glue first, till dissolved, then Mix it with the Pipe-Clay, and Boil all together for a Quarter of an Hour; when Cold put it on a with a Sponge in the usual manner, and when Dry Rub it with a Glass-Bottle."
20%
*12 OZ. pipe cLAY
*1.5 QUARTS WATER
*1 oz fish glue
*1 oz tallow soap...more added later
Added from the later recipe to the early recipe while mixing...
+ 1 oz. Liquid laundry bluing..UV whitening agent (stone blue)
+ 1 oz. of Gum Tagacanth (Leather sealant)
Modern equivalents
From the 1795 formula, to the above, I added the:
Stone Blue, 1 0z....modern day clothes bluing for whitening.
Gum Tragacanth....Eco-Flo Gum Tragacanth; used in leather working as an edge sealant
Pipe Clay is now Finest Ball clay..like porcelain clay
Adding a abrasive later and mixing it in well while warm will work. I have tried a couple with small batches of the original mix. Here you are on your own.
Have fun!
~Richard
PS. After mixing store the mass in a seal able covered container with a plastic wrap pressed firmly onto the surface to prevent deterioration..mold growth, etc.Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
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06-28-2015, 12:21 PM #6
Richard this is fantastic thanks very much. The tallow or white soap did you use body or shaving soap for this. I think this is going to be bigger than I originally thought but I suppose once done I will have enough for my lifetime so should be worth the effort. Do you think a preserving jar with the rubber seals would be fine to keep it in. Maybe you should add this to the library. This is something im sure would be helpful to others in the future
Last edited by eddy79; 06-28-2015 at 12:23 PM.
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06-28-2015, 02:38 PM #7
I used an old tallow soap from an antiques store. Any tallow soap would be fine. I use a large preserving jar similar to what you ask. Still like any spoilable wet material, it does need to be protected from ambient air. So that is the reason for the "saran" wrap on the surface. I did this exercise for a buddy that wanted to go into the strop business a few years back.
Have fun!! A "Goodwill" used crock pot works a treat for this kind of crazyness!!
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06-29-2015, 07:14 AM #8
if I have it right you have made both of these individually. To the first you added soap and to the second you added the gum and the stone blue. If this is correct only the second has glue in it that would be a different ingredient, Which therefore do you find to be closest to the original coatings found on these strops. And I was wrong it turns out everything is hard to get and will probably need to be ordered online. The ball clay I might be able to get but it seems to come in different varieties and am trying to figure out which will be the finest. Did you pound the ball clay as mentioned in the recipe or was it used as is. Also looking at the glue recipe it says glue amount by weight. Would this be the old hide glue which was a dry product which you just added water to when needed. From my research it was pretty common and was stored as granuls or sheets and made up as needed so would have been readily available
Last edited by eddy79; 06-29-2015 at 07:39 AM.
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06-29-2015, 03:39 PM #9
Seriously modified!
"Take 1lb,3oz of the finest pipe-clay, and put to it about 32oz. of cold water. I used a sealable canister of about half gallon size. Let it remain for two or three days, stirring it now and then. Then take .6 oz ounces of gum dragon, and put it into 1pint of boiling water, I then poured it into a glass canister with a sealed lid. and covered it up close for two or three days.
Place the soaked clay and its extra water into a 6 quart crock pot and bring to a slow boil for a half hour. At this point, I also added the half ounce of Fish Glue. Add the gum mix to the bubbling pipe-clay, and keep stirring the pipe-clay well all the time you are doing this. Then take half an ounce of stone blue, (Laundry blueing)and dissolve it well amongst your colouring (this gives a clear white gloss to the belts). At this point i added the bar and a half of finely ground ( dust!) bar soap, it was a double tallow hard soap. I let it burble for a couple more hours and then used the stick blender as it boiled on low heat. I put the mix back into the half gallon canister after it had cooled.. Let it all remain in there a couple days longer. Then I stick blended it again while it was cold. And that made it better and fit for use. Put it on lightly and evenly with a sponge, or i inch brush and bottling it in."
This is is the 10% batch that I made. I used a 6 quart crock pot to heat and to a low boil and add the ingredients to the already soaked clay and water.
PIPE CLAY
Fine ball clay no iron
Clay bodies
Continental Clay
Ceramic Pottery Supplies Equipment Wheels Kilns - Continental Clay Co
Clay & Glaze Chemicals ... Continental Clay •
1101 Stinson Blvd Minneapolis, MN 55413
(612) 331-9332
Found the gum: Eco-Flo Gum Tragacanth
Tandy Leather - Eco-Flo Gum Tragacanth
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tandy-Leathe...-/370585102239
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