Thread: Robert Williams French point question

Originally Posted by JBHoren

Qualified? Sure. But if there's any warranty/guarantee associated with the purchase, it might be prudent to consult with the razor's maker/seller before performing any "repairs". That's the trouble with you Americans: your "can-do" attitude and belief in "American 'exceptionalism'". Some of us take to heart those warnings about "no user-servicable parts inside" and "breaking seal voids warranty". But hey! It's not your razor... or mine.

As humans of earth, many of us CAN DO (this is a hobby right we participate in right?) those who CANT Do learn at their own expense. Sure break the seal and pay the price, but you'll never learn of you don't try. That being said learning should not likely be practiced on a top of the line custom, but as Bruno said if you have experience restoring/regrinding/making (which many of us do) an attempt at simply muting an aggressive tip is well with in the skill set for the correction to be addressed..

Nothing like a little anti-American commentary to solidify the defense of your opinion. :-)

I don't want to put words in Bruno's mouth and then quote him but .......... I think he was referring to restorers and makers other than Robert, who was the maker of this particular razor.

As far as the 'trouble with Americans' .......... after you've been here a little while maybe that attitude will 'rub off on you' ......... so be careful.

A light muting of the point on the side of a finisher would tame that point and it could be brought back in the next honing. This is what I would do. This is most likely what RW will recommend as changing the profile without damaging the HT can be difficult at best. Yep, dang American "can do" attitude...it's pretty cool to be self sufficient & be able to handle most any task that comes along.

Exactly. Wat he said shooter..but like insaid im not gonna let the beast beat me. Im gonna slow down and keep my eye on the point at all times if she still grabs me ill mute her.so ur saying just place the tip on the side of my naniwa 12k?

My 2 cents. After I have honed one, if it bites me, I reach over and run the tip lightly under the windowsill, twice.
Works every time!

What Shooter said; just tame the tip if you can't work your technique around it. You could give it a light mute by lifting a bit to hone the toe up a smidgen or just dull the very tip on some glass.

Just don't remove too much steel, and it can be rehoned in the future such that no one would ever notice the difference.

Hey Holli! didn't notice you here until I realized you have a new(isn) avatar. Still in upstate I see. Going for a PhD? :-)

HIJACK! I'm actually no longer in Rochester. Got a new teaching job in the NYC burbs that is keeping me quite busy. But I try to pop on now and then to at least see what's going on.

As others have pointed out, I live in Belgium. I am also a blademaker / amateur smith / restorer so yes, I do think I can do it myself. My car otoh goes to the garage whenever anything is needed. One should know one's own limitations. As for 'no servicable parts inside' the same principle applies. A computer has no serviceable parts inside but I am more than qualified enough to take one apart and put it back together if something is not working properly, despite not working for the manufacturer of said computer.

The OP wants to take the sting out of the spike on his razor. Unless you believe that even honing a razor voids the warranty, muting the point should not void the warranty either.

You know, noone certified / qualified me / taught me. Had I followed the mindset you're championing, I would have never taken apart my first razor and learned anything. Depending on others for doing even the most trivial task is a good way to pay a lot of money and remain helpless forever.,

Originally Posted by Bruno

As others have pointed out, I live in Belgium. I am also a blademaker / amateur smith / restorer so yes, I do think I can do it myself. My car otoh goes to the garage whenever anything is needed. One should know one's own limitations. As for 'no servicable parts inside' the same principle applies. A computer has no serviceable parts inside but I am more than qualified enough to take one apart and put it back together if something is not working properly, despite not working for the manufacturer of said computer.

The OP wants to take the stond out of the spike on his razor. Unless you believe that even honing a razor voids the warranty, muting the point should not void the warranty either.

You know, noone certified / qualified me / taught me. Had I followed the mindset you're championing, I would have never taken apart my first razor and learned anything. Depending on others for doing even the most trivial task is a good way to pay a lot of money and remain helpless forever.,

+1. Know your limitations but always try to expand your capabilities.

Dave